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GPOP 3 The Resonance of Music with Sisi and Ava Unveiling the Art Behind the Hits: Review of Kacey Musgraves & Ariana Grande’s new albums
When an artist's voice matures, it's akin to watching a butterfly emerging from its cocoon—beautiful, inspiring, and a hint at greater things to come. That's why we dissect Ariana Grande's evolving vocal style, alongside the sheer power of artists like Kasey and Lizzie McAlpine, who weave stories that are as compelling as they are melodious. Our guests Sisi and Ava bring fresh perspectives on the intentional restraint in Ariana's post-"Wicked" performances, and we speculate on how her voice could reach the iconic realms of legendary songstresses. Plus, you won't want to miss our candid debate over the craft of songwriting, where we celebrate the uniqueness of each artist's narrative.
We're all about basking in the shared experience that music brings, as it connects us through melodies and lyrics that capture the essence of our emotions. As we share anecdotes about the tracks we can't stop replaying and discuss how music preferences evolve with us, you'll find yourself nodding along, maybe even discovering a new favorite or two. Thanks to our vibrant dialogue with Sisi and Ava, you'll leave our conversation with a renewed appreciation for the music that scores our lives. So grab your headphones and prepare for a heartfelt journey into pop culture and the songs that make us feel seen and heard.
hey, welcome back to generation pop. I'm tony and I'm michaela and today we have two guests.
Speaker 1:Yes, first one is Cece, my sister.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:She's been on past podcasts of family podcasts and stuff. So hello, ciara, hi, and we have and our friend Ava Hello. Ava, it's her first podcast. She said she was a little nervous.
Speaker 4:It'll be fine. It'll be fine yeah.
Speaker 2:So today, mac and I thought about or thought that we should review a couple albums that we're kind of listening to of some big artists that have come out recently, in the last couple weeks. So the first one is Kacey Musgraves, and who else? Michaela?
Speaker 1:Ariana Grande Eternal Sunshine.
Speaker 2:And Kacey's Deeper Well.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And Justin Timberlake's. I don't even know what it's called.
Speaker 4:Oh, isn't it it like I just had it, everything I thought it was yeah, so, so it's a.
Speaker 2:Sierra was kind of a sort of a late addition to the podcast, so have you listened to? What have you listened to?
Speaker 3:I've listened to Casey and Ariana's. I have not heard. I didn't realize justin's was out yet, so I haven't heard it yet yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 2:So who should we start with? Who do you want to start with, mackie?
Speaker 1:um, we could start with um ariana. Okay With Ariana.
Speaker 2:Okay, what are your ladies' thoughts?
Speaker 1:Oh, I love it For a while. I feel like she kind of she struggled with quantity over quality for a long time, a long time and I think her taking a couple years to just not and like just let it flow naturally and not for keep forcing it out, because I think in an interview she even like she even said that she kind of kept just kept pumping things out. So she was trying to like have a better relationship with recording and writing and singing and I think think her role in Wicked helped her a lot too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's his name?
Speaker 1:Zach Sang, zach Sang yeah.
Speaker 2:I listened to half of that interview and that's the one where they talked more about her and her timing. I just listened to the very first part of the second part of there, but it sounded like she did like a lot of growing and stuff yeah um, I'm really eager to see her and that I think it's the parts where, uh, who they picked, for the parts is really done well, especially her, and it sounds like that was something that she's always wanted to do.
Speaker 2:I guess been a dream of hers yeah, oh yeah so yeah, for sure, um, yeah, do you think that was a like? Uh, do you know, did she ever mention? Was that like a studio thing where they were like kind of wanting her to pump stuff out, or was that kind of? Because? She seems like she's been around long enough that she has most of the say you know and what she does I think she said she kind of just felt like she needed, she had to yeah I'm pretty sure it seemed like she was just like ready for it, especially since there was a lull in between, because there's going to be another wicked movie.
Speaker 2:So yeah she like kind of found some space in between you know um it was during COVID, sort of a little bit, or was it not?
Speaker 3:No, I think all of this is post.
Speaker 2:Well, she said that she wasn't planning on doing anything until after the second.
Speaker 4:Right Wicked come out.
Speaker 2:So, um, I'm glad she did something. So what do you guys think about the album itself?
Speaker 1:Or do you guys?
Speaker 2:have any other thoughts about her.
Speaker 1:Well, I really liked it because I thought for a while, like I said, you could tell she just kept recording. It was just like pop, yeah, just bubblegum music and this is still like really poppy, but it has more of like a purpose to it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I feel like my lyrics have like yeah, and she's more like intentional about it too.
Speaker 1:And it kind of reminds me of Sweetener, which is one of her best albums.
Speaker 4:Yes, I agree, no one likes Sweetener and I love Sweetener thank you. Yeah, my husband Josh even likes Sweetener a lot, like we'll we'll turn it on sometimes and like it's a really good album it is, and she took her time yeah, that's the same no hate to her other producer, I love Thank you next, but she worked with pharrell on sweetener and she worked with max martin and both really great like different producers on like her two best albums.
Speaker 1:I feel like, yeah, max martin was really good and pharrell was really good for her too I like a lot of stuff that pharrell williams produces with other artists.
Speaker 3:I mean, he has good music too, but but he just brings a really-.
Speaker 2:I see a little shrug from you, Megan.
Speaker 3:Oh, really, you don't like-.
Speaker 1:What do you think, Meg? I mean, it worked for its time, if that makes sense the stuff that he did put out in the past it worked for-.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it worked for the tens, oh well yeah, I just feel like I've seen, seen him produce on other artists stuff recently like pockets of people and I've always really liked everything that he was a part of yeah um, yeah, I feel like the same thing. Just because there's a way to do pop, I feel like that it makes it, because pop can so easily feel like sound, manufactured and just the same thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like well, I guess any genre can be that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:Christian music sounds so like there's not a lot of Christian music that I like.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because, it just all sounds the same, right, I guess most of country music too for me. Yeah, yeah, it can this thing, right? I guess most of country music too for me. Yeah, yeah, it it can.
Speaker 2:There's, there's certainly anything right for me?
Speaker 3:pop, because I, like, I grew up on pop, obviously, so pop needs to have a hook for me yes, it needs like some kind of really good melody, because it's pop obviously is like mainstream music, so like it needs to have like a um, I guess, a unique element to it and I feel like both sweetener and this album has those kind of elements in there where and where the songs are diversified enough to where they have kind of their own identity, sort of.
Speaker 1:That's kind of how it still flows. Well too right her first release.
Speaker 2:What was it called? Yours truly that's not the first one, that's not her wait, she's talking.
Speaker 1:No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, ava, no, her first single off this current album oh yes, and I didn't like that.
Speaker 2:So I did not like that. It's weird. You and I talked about it. It's weird. So I don't listen to Ari a lot, and it's not because of our. She's an amazing singer, it's just doesn't do anything for my ear. So, um, but that song in particular. It's really odd and we talked about it that she released that one first, because it is. It's exactly what we're talking about and I don't think, if it wasn't for you guys, or you, michaela, that I probably wouldn't have listened to the rest of her album, because that first release to me is like, well, it's just an album of this shitty. You know, pop music like this is not good, so it's interesting, but you said that there. She said something about that right in that interview or in a interview probably, I don't remember I think it was.
Speaker 4:She said like it just made sense because it's so sonically different from them like yeah, that's what I said what did she say? It was kind of like a thank you next, or seven rings of thank you next, like that.
Speaker 2:You know it's like a little bit different sounding so that's why it's kind of.
Speaker 2:It's kind of that can stand on its own, why would you release that, because the tone it's so much different than the rest of the tone of the album like and that was my like I wanted to listen to it because she is so talented, but that song was so blah that I if it wasn't for you, I would not have listened to the rest of the album. Like, why would you do that? Like, just don't release it. Release one of the ones that are part of the story yeah I didn't have been a marketing move?
Speaker 1:I don't know I don't know, I didn't care for that, but I don't know.
Speaker 3:So I had the same initial feelings like everyone's saying. It just sounds like something you'd hear while you're changing in the changing room at the mall, which I totally can picture myself like walking around a store in the mall like what we talked about.
Speaker 1:I remember I I think I texted you. I said this makes me feel like I'm stuck in an H&M dressing room and I'm overstimulated and sweaty.
Speaker 3:It doesn't give me good feelings, yeah, which I kind of agreed with. But then as I kept listening to it, it kind of was growing on me, honestly, and she put out a remix featuring Mariah Carey.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you guys have heard it. That's pretty cool. I'll have to it and it just like it put it into context for me.
Speaker 3:Like I feel like I don't know how much you guys have listened to lady gaga's chromatica album, but it's very like electronic kind of um it's. It's supposed to be sort of dancey this, you know, very synth heavy album and it kind of.
Speaker 2:That's the reason why it was made. Yes, it was purposeful.
Speaker 3:Yes, exactly, and it kind of was reminiscent of that. So it made me like just the context of Lady Gaga's album, like maybe that's the idea she was going for, like maybe that and that kind of made me like it more because you know, if it was purposefully made to, um, I guess be sort of that kind of song uh, it makes sense, I don't know like it. It makes me like it a little more and especially with mariah carey's feature, it like that's pretty cool it brought just kind of I'll have to listen to it, you know yeah, it gave it a new like level, a little new flavor of like.
Speaker 3:Oh, this, this must be the vibe she's going for, because I mean, you want a song to be pretty like, uh, like you want to know, I guess, um, the purpose of it. I guess I at least that's for me I like. I like hearing when, or noticing when, artists make very deliberate decisions about, because that's true art, like you're being intentional, intentional definitive. Definitive about what you, what your goal is.
Speaker 2:I would say for me again she's not somebody that I list to like you guys list to. I'm 50, 51 and a dude.
Speaker 2:So it's not my you know, I mean it doesn't mean I can't, it's just not in my. I mean it doesn't mean I can't, it's just not in my. But but one thing that helps and movies does um, movies, uh, do this for me too. But when I hear her, like an interview and how intentional things that you know and the story behind it helps me appreciate it more and will help me listen to it more. You know what I'm saying like. Be more into listening to it, because I want to hear the story or the.
Speaker 2:You know the through line yeah, because initially you just yeah, if it doesn't capture me, I need a little bit more to bring me in. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4:yeah, I actually really liked yes and honestly I thought I mean I was kind of like okay, like typical not typical ari but just like okay, it's light-hearted, the lyrics aren't super deep, blah, blah, blah, but then like hearing like more come out about. I follow these like gossip, celebrity gossip, like leak pages anyway, but they're like this is it's like yes and like the only song that sounds like that on the album and this is it's like yes and like the only song that sounds like that on the album. And I remember in a previous interview and like for like positions that she did and how she really wanted to like make a vogue-esque song and like that was like motive. The track motive on there was like doja cat, which doesn't seem very vogue-esque to me on like that song particularly. So I'm like okay, maybe yes, and is kind of like more of it's very yeah, I feel that way too yes and I would say, is more that that's when we talked
Speaker 2:about yeah, right, yeah well, when I was listening to it again, when I was just listening to the album in preparation of this. So when I heard it I was like it is what we've talked about. But when I went back and listened to it and I think I had my AirPods in I was listening to it with more intention to like really listen to it. And I think I told you I heard Vogue, I heard Madonna a lot, I heard elements of sounds of George Michael of certain songs that he did back in the nineties.
Speaker 2:Um, but heavy Vogue.
Speaker 4:Yeah, very Vogue. And the music video is like very like. It's like Paula Abdul cold hearted like kind of like very, but I feel like it kind of like. After listening to the album, I feel like it's very like, cause there's so much. I feel like you can't talk about this album without talking about everything in the media.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you want to get into that about, like her being a home wrecker and stuff which is not true.
Speaker 4:I stand by that, um, but like I feel like it's kind of like a clearing okay, like this album's gonna like clear my name a little bit. Like it's kind of like yeah, everyone's talking about me, but like I'm kind of in this like whatever stage, like I don't really care, like yeah, I don't know, I kind of just feel like it's kind of like a you can believe what you want to believe, but I'm gonna do my thing and then, like here's the rest of the album that like kind of explains but it doesn't really explain like right, I'm not, I can't say, like the nice thing about that, too, is that it's also inspired from a movie.
Speaker 1:So she's said before too that like, yes, there are elements of both, but you can't really tell what it is because, right, you just don't know what her life is. Yeah, so I like how she um explains that she wanted to do something that connected to a movie, because then people can't really like speculate as much, because she's like, yeah, sure, like there are personal pieces to this album, but you just don't know it, because it's also connected to something else to conceptual yeah conceptual.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it. Yeah, one thing that I noticed that and you can touch on it more matt because I didn't get to this part on the interview but a lot of it sounded very light, like, um, literally like her voice, the way, she used her voice seemed very airy and very light. She didn't use a lot of at least most of the songs I listen to. I can't say that I listen to all about. I listen to the majority of it, but she didn't use a lot of full voice yeah, in it and that's something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's something that zach brought up he said he I remember he mentioned you don't like go up power yeah he's like you don't do that as much in this album. She's like yeah, I don't know, she's like she. I think she she's like I'm not one to just embellish, just to embellish yeah, he's like I'm gonna do it purposefully, yeah and she like if it's not a part of the song, then it's not a part of the song, like she's not gonna force it. Um, yeah, I guess as a listener for me.
Speaker 2:for my ear holes, the Aerie can be very good and very effective, but it also can get very tired for me, so I don't need her to like go off like Ariana Grande.
Speaker 3:Because that very much could also get very tired especially like in her earlier album, she, she, she's probably honestly encouraged to do a lot of that right, because it's you know it's power.
Speaker 2:She's got a power voice and it's amazing. And I'm not saying that she has to do that all the time. I don't want that any more than I want. Like, just like you said. I don't want that any more than I want. Like, just like you said. I don't want that any more than all the airy stuff. But I do like like full voice. I don't like a ton of air all the time and I, we I don't think any of us like when people sing in cursive. So I like just somebody to sing what their what with their full voice, not meaning loud, but they're like their chest voice basically. So I thought a lot of it. So did it change up like towards the end? Did it get, or was it pretty like a pretty airy, softer album?
Speaker 4:I feel like it's a very like softer album I mean she definitely has her things like supernatural true story. She kind of goes off at the end a little bit but it's very like head voice which and I feel like that could also be wicked like her galinda voice. Coming through that girl, she enunciates so much better oh my god, I was like I can actually tell what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Isn't that something that we used to talk about?
Speaker 3:yeah, she with her earlier albums, especially with, especially with her earlier albums.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and even her live performances too it was really hard to understand her in some songs, even recorded and live, and since she's been doing this big Broadway musical movie, they probably Because you have to enunciate when you're oh yeah, that's, broadway, or performing anything like you have to project and you have to enunciate and make every word you're saying clear, and I think she may or may not have even talked about it, but, um, yeah, the I'm sure, like the vocal coach, that whoever she worked with helped her out with that and it helped a ton. I'm like, wow, I can actually understand what she's saying in this album.
Speaker 4:That's crazy and her voice sounds so much healthier and stronger, you know what I'm saying like, and that's why I don't get tired of the it's so airy yeah and like when I was listening to it I'm like, is this ariana? Because like she just sounds so different. But I know it's her, but I'm like in my brain it's not really registering that it's her, because she just sounds different well, I mean, she's probably doing vocal exercise and just getting older, yeah that's what I was going to mention.
Speaker 2:Did I unplug it? That's what I was going to mention. I think this movie coming along now is probably great timing for her, because how old is she? Late 20s she's like 30.
Speaker 4:Is she 30?
Speaker 1:She 30 already.
Speaker 4:I think, she's the same age as Casey. I think she's 29.
Speaker 2:Good gravy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, actually probably because both of them talk about their Saturn returning.
Speaker 4:Oh my God, I'm guessing I can pass on the Saturn returning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's sturdy.
Speaker 2:So she's coming into a very strong part. She's not even prime in her voice, but she's getting older.
Speaker 3:So it's getting older and more mature. It's going to get richer and richer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then on top of that doing vocal exercises for Wicked, for a theatrical, like a Broadway theatrical thing Especially Glinda yeah. So that's going to mature her voice even more. And then, on top of all of that, the enunciating yeah, I mean it's really good for her, Like I think she's really big now, but I think she could be bigger.
Speaker 2:Like I think not in terms of like a Taylor Swift big with touring and stuff. But she has an iconic voice already. But I think as she ages and if she does the right she can be. I think she's close to the level, if not on the level of like celine or adele or like she can be like an iconic yeah big singer as the years go by. Does that make sense? Like she already is with kind of like your guys's age group, but I think she can transcend even further than that.
Speaker 3:I think she's on the uphill of that and I think if she does like, um, like christina can be that too.
Speaker 2:I think she's a little bit older, right, she's like 40. She's done a lot of the power stuff, but she has a good enough voice to be an iconic singer and she came out with with, I think, a Spanish-speaking only album in the last couple months, I think late last year. But there's some females that are just powerhouse singers that I think, with the right content, can really be one of those people that people remember, you know, for 30 or 40 years yeah, yeah, I mean, she's one of them.
Speaker 3:She's so talented she's got what was it? Um, was it? The boy is mine very kind of has got some familiar 90s.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's very early elements it reminded me very early 2000s yeah, yeah yeah, and I love it yeah, oh yeah, I heard a lot of r&b.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, love that sound, love what she did in there but this is my thing, is it's good r&b?
Speaker 2:I don't. Well, I do listen to some r&b, but I just want stuff to be to what captures my ear is different Hooks.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Of a tone Like it has to be really special, so like the R&B stuff is good, but I feel like I've heard it before.
Speaker 1:That make sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, and I don't. I know not every song is going to be super hooky, but that's what you know. That's what captures me, I guess. So do you guys have anything else about Ari?
Speaker 3:We could talk about favorite tracks maybe like our favorites, I and I think we all love. We can't be friends.
Speaker 1:That one's really. That was on repeat for a straight week. I couldn't listen to anything else, and I'm still not tired of it and the music video made me just like appreciate it, so much more like when I first listened to it, I was like oh, good song and then the music video.
Speaker 4:I was like, oh, it really put it into context for me and I was like, oh, I love this, like so much more.
Speaker 3:I love how much of a nerd she is with her vocal layering and I like to, because of that, I like to pay attention to when she you know what she's doing with that and she really I liked what she did on this album especially that song with that and the strings, the whole outro to that is just like makes me cry yeah, but yeah, like you said, vocal layering, and I just think of eternal sunshine, her bridge, where it's like don't break, can't shake and then she's popping in all these.
Speaker 4:I'm like how do you even figure out the timing of that? And like it just was crazy at least with rhythm.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, it's pretty cool. I liked um. I also liked imperfect for you. I kind of like the she's got like a chord or some notes in there that are thrown in, thrown in that don't like they're not typical structured. You know um in the key notes and it just gives it a little like spice it's like oh, it's a little eerie, like, a little like yeah, I like it.
Speaker 4:I like the play on words in that one too, because I'm imperfect, but I'm also, I'm perfect for you. Yeah, we, we work it out.
Speaker 1:We work good for each other. Yeah, what else do you guys? Um, I also really like don't want to break up. I love that song and I'm also like for me. I think most of the time I go, for I hear lyrics over the music sometimes, and so the songs that I do like a lot of them are like because of the lyrics and because I can, I get it. But yeah, Don't Wanna Break Up up again. I really like that one and it's just a plus when the music sounds great too, yes, yeah, um, and then Supernatural.
Speaker 1:I also really like um, we Can't Be Friends, is it has a special place.
Speaker 3:I don't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have a special place in my heart for that one um and then I wish I hated you is also one that I really like too and she's so emotional in that and I love that she kept that in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like her, like the last chorus, she like she's really intentional with her breath and that too, and it's like so yeah and it was so funny because I think in the zach sang interview he was like it sounds like you were crying in that song and she didn't. I don't even think she knew what song he was talking about she's like I probably was, yeah was she?
Speaker 2:did she do that before in past albums? Do what what you're talking about, like let the emotion be um? I don't think so, because I feel like I feel like they were more produced.
Speaker 1:I mean, I could be wrong, but I feel like for this one, especially how she described like she didn't have like scheduled days to go in the studio, like she just went in when she felt like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah she's like let's just go do this did whatever she felt, like it wasn't it wasn't like okay, we have to be here from this time to this time, monday through friday like it was just like oh, I want to go in now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then they just worked on something and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like we talked about her age. When you you get older, you just tend not to care about stuff as as much um in in certain realms, um.
Speaker 2:so it seems like she's at as like, at a right time, where she's just like I don't, I'm going to do my thing, I'm going to, you know, and I wonder if, if, if she was, that was like I wanted in there, because that's what I'm feeling and that's where I'm at or if there was any influence of her doing wicked, because doing a theater, broadway, movie, you do, you're like over, almost over emotional, to to project that feeling, to like like if you're on broadway yeah, not a movie, but on broadway because you have to project everything for the crowd. So I wonder if elements of that, or if it was just like I don't give a yeah, I'm just gonna like.
Speaker 2:This is how I feel. This is, you know, just showing emotion yeah, I think when people like Corey Asbury. He's Christian artist that I listen to. There's a couple of songs where he gets up into his higher range and it's real rough and kind of raspy but if you listen to the content you hear, you feel the feeling of the content with his voice. Like it doesn't sound good if you want a perfect album but if you're feeling it's like perfect does that make sense?
Speaker 2:yeah, is that, what that song? Because I don't remember. I don't even know if I listened to the song you guys are talking about, because I haven't got through this, the whole album. But is that like, is it a breathy thing?
Speaker 1:is she like you can kind of hear the tears yeah, like it's a little breathy, that song specifically it's a little breathy and her like just raw, you think? How would you say it? Like her voice, like it doesn't like crack, but it like it's like she has to force through the like it's, like she's on the verge of like.
Speaker 4:She's kind of like having to force through, yeah, and it like like force her way through the, the feelings, to get the words out.
Speaker 2:But the feelings are surrounding the words. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:kind of. I think yeah, it's. I don't know the way her voice breaks at certain parts when it gets really quiet.
Speaker 4:It's a little shaky. Her voice is a little shakier on, like the ends of words too yeah but and I feel like she wasn't, I only think the only other song that's like kind of deep, like I can think of is like ghostin and she didn't even want to put that on scooter like made her, but I honestly I appreciate him doing that because I feel like it's like it gives her people can relate to that more and like it makes her more vulnerable I guess yeah and so I feel like she's now in a healthier spot.
Speaker 4:She feels like she can put that I wish I hated you. Song on.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:But yeah.
Speaker 3:What was like your top one, Ava.
Speaker 4:Oh gosh, I love, don't Want to Break Up Again. The Boy is mine, because I just love the vibes. Yeah, that one's fun yeah I don't know. I feel like all the ones Supernatural. I love Ordinary Things.
Speaker 1:I like that one.
Speaker 3:That's the one thing that bugs me is well so, like artists, will try just to fit a word in syllables. Oh, like she says.
Speaker 1:Ordinary.
Speaker 3:Yeah the way she says Ordinary.
Speaker 1:I did not think she was saying Ordinary. I know it sounds like Henri. That's what I thought too. That's what I thought too.
Speaker 3:So all I'm hearing is Henri things, no, I heard that too Cece.
Speaker 1:I wasn't going to say anything about it because I was like that doesn't make sense. But no, when I first heard the song, I was like what the hell is she saying? Because it sounded like Henri and I'm like this isn't one.
Speaker 3:I can easily mishear that one. Yeah, and I'm like this is that someone could easily mishear that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then I had to read the lyrics. I was like, oh, she's saying ordinary.
Speaker 4:But it's like ordinary. Yeah, it's weird. I'm like she's hanging out with all the Brits Like a really soft beat or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I really like the first like verse of that, Like I like the start of it. The start of it is really strong. You get to the chorus and then I'm like I'm don't, I don't care for this that much anymore, I just think it's very like romantic, I don't know, it's like really no, it's sweet like. Yeah, just the way. Yeah, I'm like.
Speaker 4:I don't mind the way she says that. I feel like if it's the song, but I'm also like it's kind of I don't know. It's like she's like hanging out with all the British people. I feel like they say, like ordinary, yeah, cause she old me.
Speaker 2:You're such an old me? Yeah, because she was in England to film that movie, right that's probably not why but, oh, she's just.
Speaker 4:British, now that kind of makes sense it does, but yeah, but I just love how, like the first I don't know like I watched the Zane Lowe music, our interview with her, our interview with her. Did I have you? I haven't seen that one yet. I love his interviews. Like going from that to Zach saying I was like oh, I don't know, I like Zach saying, but like it's just more.
Speaker 2:I was my first Zach saying interview and I did not care for him.
Speaker 4:You have to listen to the Zane Lowe one, because it's like it's a little bit more like relaxed everything
Speaker 3:to say the thing about that he can be that way, but because I think, because of their friendship. Yeah, yeah, it was a lot more casual, but zane zane's had does a good job of like keeping things pretty professional all the way through and he said he asked very good, the most insightful questions zane does.
Speaker 2:Yes, he brings out just the right the other dude, even though it sound like they have had a long friendship. It still sounded to me and I could be just hearing what I hear. I could be wrong, but it sounds like he's still trying to win her approval in a way like like we're friends and like his. A lot of things that he said were like really vague and I I just didn't like him. I don't want the podcast to be about him, I just didn't care for him. Zane can be a little over the top too, but his questions are a little bit more insightful and you can tell he's a dj, I think, and if that makes sense yeah, no, you should definitely, but it's about, but it's he is better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely better. All right, we should probably wrap up ari. So, out of five stars, what would you rate this album?
Speaker 4:five.
Speaker 1:It's perfect, just for yes and in Saturn Returns four cc yeah, I agree, I would say four.
Speaker 2:I would say probably around five for me yeah, I would say, based on the sound and the consistent airiness I heard on the songs, like I need a little bit more full voice, not like just like chest voice, not like screaming and power, but just voice. So let's go to uh casey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because we might need to even get to justin.
Speaker 2:So casey is is my favorite out of the three and I've not been a huge casey fan, not that I'm not a fan or disliked her I just know some of her like more songs and I really like her tone. She has a distinctive tone, but not a terribly distinctive tone, but it's very pure and she certainly has a sound that she does on all of her albums. But I want to go back so I don't forget we were talking about you like lyrics.
Speaker 1:You listen to lyrics sometimes over music yeah and I tend to listen to the music and the hooks and what's gonna the melody and what's gonna grab me which, yeah, which makes sense, because I know sometimes, like you play, like I don't, there have been times where you're like playing chill music to you, but to me I'm hearing the lyrics, I'm like this is making me sad. But to you it's like you're hearing, like the calmness of it, and you're feeling like you're just feeling really you're feeling no yeah.
Speaker 2:Sad or love? I love it no.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I love, I love it no.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which, yeah. But there have been times in the car where you've like played like some pretty chill, like sad songs and you're like why, like this is so chill, like I'm like no, it's not, it's like making me upset, like I can't listen to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's really interesting. I love that because I do listen to the instrumentation, the details, sometimes of the like I was listening to one of the best written songs. When we get back on Casey cause, I don't want to kill our time, but one of the best written songs ever is um, um is that can't make you love me. Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1:God, you know what you guys know. I love that song by Bonnie Raitt, the original.
Speaker 2:It's probably one of the most I was listening to it on the way to church on Thursday and, like every time I hear it, it's like this is one of the best songs ever written.
Speaker 1:It's really good.
Speaker 2:George Michael does a really good version of it, but nobody touches Bonnie Raitt because of the emotion behind it, and what I was going to say is the instrumentation of it with the guitar, uh, at the end, the piano at the end. It's just that song is perfection. Have you heard that song? No, you need to listen to it and listen to bonnie rates probably the george michael one, but yeah, with your dad you had to yeah but you need to listen to her version of it.
Speaker 1:It is heart-wrenching it's so good song, uh, but.
Speaker 2:But so what I was going to say about casey is um with her because it's so chill and that's what is in my head. That's like what I like. Obviously I like like George Michael, 90s hard pop, you know. So I love a good, but there's not a lot of fast poppy music that I like today now, as I'm 50. Over the last couple years, chill is where I'm at, like it's what makes me feel good and that's what I want to feel all the time is good and whether it's lyrics or the music, it just calms my brain. So with hers, because the music is so much more chill, I hear and she's a storyteller I hear the lyrics more I can. It's balanced more for me because when I have a like a beat in my head, it distracts like. A great example is kelly clarkson's song that she did, yes, that she did on american idol.
Speaker 3:What is in the peace by piece?
Speaker 2:yeah, that she did as a ballad on american idol, but that was a fast, that was a fast beat and I would have never listened to it no like if you listen to the album. The music does not, doesn't match the words. So when she slowed it down and be in and created a ballad, it's like again heart-wrenching song so much better.
Speaker 3:I feel like there's a way to do a sad Because some artists like that contrast of the music is Paramore, does that a lot? Too, yeah the music sounds happy, but the lyrics are sad.
Speaker 4:I mean Eternal Sunshine.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know, I feel like there is a way to do that, but I feel like that song, especially like songs like that it's like you're trying to I want a sad melody man.
Speaker 1:Exactly, I don't want a fast melody. To me it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3:You're just producing to produce.
Speaker 2:Yes, at that point. So Casey's is like nowhere near overproduced. It's very simple it reminds me a lot of nickel creek in some spots. Just the the um, not folk music. What is it called um? It's a style of country, but whatever that is, I can't remember what it's called do you know she's. They're opening for yeah, yeah, I want to go to that and father john misty, and it's literally ron her.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I want to go to that and Father John Misty, and it's literally.
Speaker 2:Veronica's wedding we might be able to go when she's in San Francisco we might, we might, we'll know in a month. Anyways, I just hear like deeper well, the lyrics to that song. Listening to her do a live version.
Speaker 3:I think, of that.
Speaker 2:She was talking about the bong that she made and she was making little comments. She's like I did that like she like kind of like what um miley did at the grammys where she kind of inserted some spoken word oh my gosh. Yeah, and she's like she was as she's saying it, she's like, yeah, it was like a plastic pop bottle, her bong oh yeah, so. So I was wondering. I kind of guessed that it was kind of audio autobiographical. Yeah, how do you say the last end of that word?
Speaker 2:I don't even know autobiographical oh, there you go, thank, you it's saying this, it's like saying the state that boston's in I can't. I can't say it massachusetts so there's one thing and I, and then I'm gonna let you guys talk um.
Speaker 2:You guys know, I love miley oh yeah I've always loved miley love her and I remember I don't know if you remember saying this when you were little but I was like I can't wait till she gets past this weird funky phase of all the drugs and the um well pot, whatever she was on, and then the you know some of the tours where she had big teddy bears, like that phase. I'm like I can't wait till she's where she's at now because I know she'll grow up a little bit and just become more mature. And I think I like it when you hear that in people's music like she's grown and matured and it sounds like Casey has to. I'm not a I'm not a big fan of people smoking pot and stuff like that. So when I it's like I don't want to overstate this, but they're both a little older than you but they're like they could I don't want this to sound weird, but they could be like my daughters. So when I hear them be better humans or get off the thing that they were on that.
Speaker 2:I mean, she sings about it in in deeper well and um. And was it that one? Or yeah, it was that was deeper yeah when, when I hear somebody become better for themselves, it makes me really happy and I'm like, oh, they're just becoming a more mature, grown human being and I love it when people share that kind of stuff yeah in their music.
Speaker 2:So um that one I love cardinal yes, like her songs have more their chill, which obviously we've established. I I prefer, but the melodies and the hooks. There's more melody and hook for me. Um, and one thing that I was going to touch on that I don't think we'll get to. I don't think we'll get to justin, but I really prefer real instruments over drum beats, unless there's a good hook, like if you listen to again, he's my favorite of all time if you listen to george michael, his music you could listen to now and think that it was made today I think in my opinion.
Speaker 2:Um, so I do like some elements of electronic and drum beats and stuff like that, but like I really prefer like a guitar a bass a drum you know, keys, you know I really prefer. That's why I love mark cone so much is because he's, he's, he's, um, he's more, it's more natural. Yeah, that's the one thing that I don't think we'll get to with. Justin his simple, shitty drum beats at the beginning of the song. It just turns me off immediately, like I, even if it picks up. I hate it. It's garbage to me.
Speaker 1:It's like can you not be?
Speaker 3:more. Yeah, it's like yes.
Speaker 4:I hate this so much, I'm so tired of it everyone does it and it's just like okay, let's go back to like real and you know, it's just like it all sounds the same.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so that's I. I'm really really loving casey, right now like yeah, she is like I was gonna ask what is on your like all the time list right, like what is? What are you playing all the time? She? Well, I'm just gonna sound. It's not gonna be a surprise to you. Her and cory are yeah because they're just quieter.
Speaker 2:For me they're just and their songs are meaningful, they're rich in lyric and it seems like she really put some time to this music and the lyrics and and it it's got the hook. It's like a perfect album for me. I really hope that she's up for it. It was released so early in the year that I hope it's remembered for the Grammys Cause, I think she deserves one. It's so good Okay. That's my diatribe about Tracy.
Speaker 1:I'm really loving her right now. Yeah, um, I'm really loving her right now. Yeah. I'm not usually at all a fan of country, but she's like the closest person to country that I'll ever listen to.
Speaker 2:It's like light country.
Speaker 1:It's like a full country.
Speaker 2:It's a little more folk too Bluegrass is what I was thinking of Bluegrass that's like Nickel Creek is like kind of bluegrass. And what I was thinking of bluegrass that's like nickel creek is like kind of bluegrass and this one's kind of bluegrassy she's got some good harmonies and stuff in it and yeah, so sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Um. And then some of my favorite ones on there are too good to be true and dinner with friends, and both of those are for again for the lyrics, but also the dinner with friends melody is so I don't know. It's it's very catchy, but it's also just so unique and I love just how soft and sweet that song is and the melody of it. Like I don't know it, like I feel it in my heart. It makes me feel I love that song so much and it gets stuck in your head too. Um, but yeah, too good to be true and dinner with friends are definitely my, my top two I think mine are deeper.
Speaker 2:Well, I, I love the lyrics. I love it so much. Too good to be true. But cardinal, that's a. I think she just released that as a single.
Speaker 1:I think maybe I, I.
Speaker 2:The the words are interesting, but it's, it's like a cool melody.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I like it Cece.
Speaker 3:The one that caught my. So I I kinda I feel like, depending on the song or the album, my ear will either catch lyrics first or production first. It just depends on how heavy the production is, how creative the lyrics are. And same thing. I feel the same way about this album that, like, I heard the lyrics first and I feel like the song that caught my attention the most was the architect, that one. I love how that was written. It was so insightful and so um, uh, contemplative, very um, just kind of she's trying to figure it out song like you know where, you know what does happen when we go and like, or you know why, why are the things the way they are? And like you know, I don't know, I just love that. You know, can I speak to the architect? Like that, I don't know. That lyric is just so creative to me because you know who planned this out, who has the blueprints, like that. I loved the way that was written.
Speaker 2:There like that. I loved the way that was written. There's one line in cardinal that stood out and I'm I don't think it's overly well written, it's just really interesting. Uh, I think it's like the second verse. In it she says I took a walk in the city to clear my head for a moment, turn my collar to the wind on the street. It was blowing. It was like it's such a simple lyric, but it's so. It's so good, like I like that it. Just her lyrics give me a visual and I like getting a picture mark cone is like that like he's a storyteller and he, it's just.
Speaker 2:Every time I listen to him, a picture is painted in front of me. It's like I like that, like I can see her, like I visualize. Do you visualize? Do you visualize like that?
Speaker 1:depending on the song.
Speaker 2:Like I'm, like I have a video running my own video running in my head she knows I mac has had like music video for certain songs.
Speaker 3:And some ideas have been stolen. Yeah, no.
Speaker 1:Uh-oh, harry's stolen one of my video ideas before yeah.
Speaker 3:Harry, I was so. Anyway, that's what you guys thought. Anyways, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2:What else Ava do.
Speaker 4:Oh, I love Sway that came on.
Speaker 1:I was like oh, oh, this is my song that was one of the first ones that caught my attention too, because it was also really catchy as well. I just love that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that one's nice like a palm tree in the wind. I won't break, I'll just bend and I'll sway. It's like okay, like I don't want to break anymore, I don't want to let things shake me, I'm just gonna sway in the wind and I'm just like, oh my gosh, and it's so pretty. The music, like you said, like the music in this album is just Heart of the Woods is really cute.
Speaker 1:But I also.
Speaker 4:I like Lonely Millionaire because it's a little different on the album. It's a little bit more like, it's a little more groovier to me. I don't know, it's just like a little bit like of a like I picture as like a little bit of a darker, moodier song than like the rest of the album, but I kind of just like it.
Speaker 4:I don't know, I just this album is like you said, it's really easy to just have on in the background yes and it reminds me of like she's kind of going back to like her golden hour roots, because I love gold yeah, and then, like she, I love starcross the one.
Speaker 3:Like before, this one was good, that's like one about her husband, right, yeah, the divorce dude the lyrics to that are so genius
Speaker 2:right like it's so good yeah it's. I think that's probably what I golden hour is really good, like her big songs. Um, now she's just on a like. I just bring her up on apple music and press the triangle and just everything play but the. When I hear heard that, I was like God that that lyric is so good because it's like, if you think about that, divorce is not great and it's like the line like I'm giving back your name.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh yeah.
Speaker 2:It's so good, it's like this amicable, you know it just didn't work. Yep, and I don't know the whole story, but but based on the lyrics of that song, it's like it's just. It's sad, but it just didn't work I'm giving back your name. It's so descriptive it's so that's such a good lyric it is.
Speaker 4:That's starcrossed right.
Speaker 2:That's like a good title track and it's a really kind of a short song.
Speaker 1:It's not that low, yeah because it was like kind of an intro, yeah, but I just love the guitar and that's like yeah and like it vibrates.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, yeah, so good, so good, but yeah, the deeper wealth definitely seems like a sister album to gold.
Speaker 4:Now then star cross.
Speaker 3:But like I get star cross because it's like yeah, yeah gold now or my husband oh, we got divorced and then then Deeper Walls kind of feels like yeah, exactly, but it just kind of feels more like Goulden Hour to me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I love this album. I find myself sometimes like I, when I'm especially like, if I'm in the car or something like I really like. I feel like I gravitate towards albums that are singable, but not like too crazy, just kind of something, that are something that's like again, yeah, kind of calming, but like singable, and I feel like, um, I feel like this is going to be my next folklore, evermore.
Speaker 3:Cause I found myself going back to that, those taylor swift albums because of how you know, and those were very storytelling too, yeah, and you know they had nice melodies and they felt good to sing. You know, I feel like this one is something I see myself, you know, going back to and shuffling all the time.
Speaker 4:I totally agree in the same way. It's like you can listen to it once for like the lyrics and the storytelling, just like folklore and evermore. But then, they're also like, oh, I gotta clean the kitchen.
Speaker 2:I'll just put it on and listen to it in the background like it's so pleasant it's like easy to listen to and then, it's like, oh, let's rip me apart here and like, let's cry, I tend to listen to more male singers because I'm a dude and it's just easier to sing. So I'm like I'm listening to that song so much and I want to sing it. So I'm like I'm trying to find like harmonies to sing with it so I can sing it because it's so, it's so good. I don't, I don't listen to to, not because they're I don't think they're not good or whatever.
Speaker 1:It's just I want something like you guys that's single that I can you know that I can sing with so, um, but there's not right now.
Speaker 2:There's not a lot of fast poppy stuff that I like. I really like Charlie Puth. I like what he does His last album wasn't great.
Speaker 1:I didn't even listen to it. Voice notes were so good.
Speaker 2:And then this one was like TikTokified and I'm like because he's getting huge on TikTok- I think after a while, because he's like, and you do this and then you do that, I feel like some of these artists, it felt like, very like, he just jumped on TikTok and he's doing this stuff. Well then in a couple months, you know, it's like it felt after a while, when his album was finally coming out, like it was all manufactured.
Speaker 2:And that homey feel was totally lost for me. So I by my attraction to him in that space kind of dwindled same because it was like oh, we're gonna do this six to eight month workup and I'm gonna act like I'm doing this thing and it seems so organic. But once the album came it was like, well, you're just I feel like I was just sold on something.
Speaker 3:It was like an eight-month advertisement. I feel like this is Charlie Puth's version of Banger's era of Miley, where you know this person is extremely talented but they're just doing something, because either they're blowing off the yeah, they're responding, they're responding to other people or they're feeling an album obligation yeah, they're not creating art like to create art. They're just creating it because they, you know don't stay on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they want to market or they want to or they're just like, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I feel like when charlie pooth, when he grows out of that, he could make such good music he can just break his mold a little bit and stretch himself.
Speaker 2:I feel like he can listen like really do like cool stuff a dude. Really for me to grab him like this is going to be like an extreme example. But when I first, I remember the first time I heard josh groban and it was a kind of a pop crossover classical I was at Circuit City which was like a Best Buy over at Jansen Beach.
Speaker 2:And I was looking for an album because they had like six aisles of CDs that you could just thumb through. And I was looking for something and he came over the speaker and I heard him sing. I was like holy shit, because I can sing that way, not like him?
Speaker 2:I don't want to say that I sound like Josh Groban, but you guys know that I like that kind of music you like that style, that style, and so I guess my point is it really needs to capture me Like I need depth in a voice, I need richness. I don't. It's really hard for me to listen to somebody that sounds like somebody else or has a very shallow voice, who, oh you know who I think has that oh shallow voice, sean mandez. I can't. I do not like we've joked about it, but I'm serious. It's like he sounds like, or even Bieber. He has some good songs.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he has a. You can tell when it's Bieber when he sings. But again, it just sounds to me. From my ear it kind of sounds like it's all the same when he slowed down and sang that song about his life. What is it? Lonely, lonely.
Speaker 4:Amazing yeah, yep.
Speaker 2:So good. I guess you can tell why I kind of gravitate to. I like people that are broken and they sing about it and then they have a good melody, like that is like because you hear his heart and the melody is so good. And then you watch the video. We just watched the video again recently. It's so perfect, like I think I'm going on rabbit trails like I typically do.
Speaker 3:I feel like the melody. I just need richness, I need a voice, yeah.
Speaker 2:Ari, adele, celine Miley. Like I need a sound, I need a unique sound for it to capture me. Yeah, like literally, like their voice, and then a good beat, a good hook, melody, yeah I think, tone is everything.
Speaker 3:When it comes to everything for everything. Um melody. I a really good, unique, really nice melody is one of my favorite things and I feel like like deeper. Well, I think stood out to me in that way that um, along with the lyrics, I like um. I like when the lyrics and the melody can really sync up.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know, and.
Speaker 3:I felt that way with that track.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that one is what I go back to, for that Can't Make you Love Me.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:The mashup of the instruments, the melody, the lyrics. It's a perfect song, Like the little subtleties of guitar, I think I really like. Is it Harry's last album?
Speaker 1:Styles yeah, harry's House.
Speaker 2:No, maybe the one before that Fine Line.
Speaker 3:It might have been. Are you talking about his first one?
Speaker 2:I don't know there's one that you guys played a lot that I really enjoyed because it was hooky.
Speaker 1:It had some it may have been the watermelon. Was it his self titled album? I?
Speaker 2:don't know whatever watermelon was on okay, that that's fine, yeah, I think it's fine line.
Speaker 3:It was um.
Speaker 2:Louie doesn't have enough falling of a tone for me.
Speaker 1:That's my man. I know that's your man, harry.
Speaker 2:Harry, does I need a tone? I have to have a tone for me to be caught. So I feel like I just talked a lot, so do you guys? Have anything more about Casey.
Speaker 3:Um I don't feel like I'm I. I haven't, I've only listened to it a couple of times, but I'm looking forward to just listening to it over and over because I know there's stuff that I might have missed the first couple times that you know. So I'm excited to well as you girls would say listening I'm obsessed I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2:I'm obsessed I'm obsessed with her right now yeah yeah she's a good go-to oh and uh. Yeah, I just made that women's only playlist. Mckayla's not too sure about it because I have some country stuff on it, but I wanted to collaborate with you. You could collaborate with us too, but it's for it's women's only, so it's my, because I don't listen to women.
Speaker 3:A ton again just for singability you know, it's not you know for any other reason, I just want to be able to sing right um.
Speaker 2:So I created this because I love levee oh, I adore her again. The music is very peaceful, like all the stuff, and it's jazzy and uh, of course miley. But I need quiet stuff from Miley Billy's song Mama Keep, I Keep Whistling and Humming.
Speaker 1:What was I made for? What was I made for? I feel like.
Speaker 2:I listened to that so much, that's another perfect song. And listen, I'm 50 and I'm a dude, Okay, so I'm not going to pretend. You know that I get, but I do have a wife and two daughters and so that's as close to I don't want to say relating, but getting it. I'm never going to get it because I'm not a woman, but you two and Shelly are as close as I'll get and I so appreciate that movie and that song again was absolute perfection.
Speaker 2:So just perfection. Like I told you guys, as award seasons coming, you kept coming. I'm like she better win the grammy, she better win the oscars. I was pissed when um the ken song won I think, and ryan gosling was like he was confused.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, I love ryan. I love ryan. He was pissed about it too so she should have won everything.
Speaker 2:That was like the best song of the year for me for sure it was so good and I, like your mom finally said something about it like a week ago. She's like are you gonna like just always? I'm like I don't know, the melody is just stuck in my head.
Speaker 4:It's really good.
Speaker 2:I think listen to Casey. Listening to Casey is kind of but I added that to the list to her, that one and that other one that she's saying about guys Um, I can't remember the name of it. Yeah, billy, yeah.
Speaker 3:She's saying about guys.
Speaker 2:It was uh.
Speaker 3:Oh, are you talking about? Is it off of her?
Speaker 2:I'll tell you I'm getting to it, is it?
Speaker 3:power.
Speaker 2:Your power, your power.
Speaker 1:That one. Oh, my gosh yeah.
Speaker 3:That one was so good too.
Speaker 2:Again, I can never put my place in your place. I can't do it, but I have you and so that's how I relate, that's how I try to understand what you guys have to go through and go through. So it means something, because I don't want you guys to have to experience those kinds of things.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's just. I mean, her and phineas are really geniuses, they're geniuses, epic so, anyways, sorry, I I go, I keep going down rabbit trails. Do you guys have anything else? We're at, we're at about an hour, so yeah, I don't. But I've talked a lot. I feel like I've, like, over talked, so I want you guys to get out whatever you guys have.
Speaker 1:Do you guys have any other thoughts about Casey?
Speaker 3:before I get into my last question for everybody, oh, um, I well, I was thinking a little bit more about like what you were saying earlier about Casey and how she's like just what kind of singer she is and she's not like, if you listen to her, it's not like she's one that's going to, um, show off her stripes. You know, like she's not one to embellish a whole lot her tone and her, yeah, she's super pure singer and very simple, and her tone is unique enough to where it has her own sound you know correct, and it's like because you hear, and especially with country artists, like a lot of them sound the same but, she like she is that like perfect blend between country and pop.
Speaker 3:I feel like Totally, and it's just pleasant to listen to, it's nice when somebody can just sing and it's good, and then put on the gift of really intelligent songwriting yeah, that's like the perfect package yeah like I. I feel like that's. It's comparable to somebody like lizzie mcalpine.
Speaker 1:She's an up-and-coming artist same kind of idea yeah, and I've.
Speaker 2:I've been really liking her stuff too, because it's the same thing like she just sings you know, and it's effortless and it's beautiful and great there's nothing better than just a crisp clear, pure, that has some richness, that has some life to it, but just has some yeah, some richness, some depth to it, but just really pure.
Speaker 3:And it's honestly kind of reassuring as a singer, like I feel like I feel like I'm a decent singer. I don't think I'm, I'm an I'm never going to be like Ariana Grande or like this crazy, like vocally acrobatic person, um, but like it's reassuring to hear, um, I guess successful people in the industry make it just because they just do have that raw talent and they can just be themselves without any um any you know um shininess or whatever to to them like they can just be who they are as an artist and people like them and that's why they listen to them yeah it.
Speaker 2:I mean to get on the radio to be really popular you have to have some help with promotion.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:But the like. It's just a really simple album but it's really. It's getting rave reviews and Justin's is getting shit on and I understand why yeah.
Speaker 3:People don't want to mess around.
Speaker 2:Well, and even singers like on tiktok and stuff. There's some really really good unknown yeah you know songwriters on tiktok. That is like I'm blown away by now. Sometimes I get in a loop of a lot of sad songs or I'm in my head sad songs like depression and stuff and like I appreciate to a degree and that I'm like. Everybody is so sad.
Speaker 2:And that's all I'm getting Like I need some kind of happy, some kind of life, but I get in that. Uh yeah, I, I don't know Ballads are. I've always loved ballads more than like fast upbeat songs. There's some I like, but ballads are my go-to.
Speaker 3:Yeah so.
Speaker 2:Ava.
Speaker 4:before Michaela has our last question I mean not really anything to add, I just like her sound Like you said it's very unique it's and like that's probably why you like her for country, cause she doesn't sound like a country singer. Yeah, it kind of. I mean like kind of bluegrass right I mean she's a little, she's got a little bit of country.
Speaker 4:But she's not which I don't mind it, yeah, but her voice is just like yeah it's not like twangy and like like. That's what I kind of appreciate about, like zach bryan, like he's a storyteller, he's a little bit more country, but like he's not like a blake shelton luke bryan country, he's more of that like like kind of folky, like he's he's got a little bit more gravel. I love yeah he's amazing.
Speaker 2:I was listening to him.
Speaker 2:I mean, I mentioned to him, you know, down in the kitchen yeah, he puts me in a place as soon as I hear his voice. He puts me somewhere very specific. Chris stapleton another amazing, amazing voice. Um, carrie underwood, package country. She's got a great voice. Power notes. It's not great to me, right? Um so? And taylor, I like taylor's voice, but the lyrics get a little too busy for me. But she definitely has a sound and, um, I think she has a very distinctive voice. I like her voice on a really good storytelling song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mackie um, so what has been on repeat for everyone these past couple weeks or past week, like what have you been, because I know you mentioned Corey and Casey- it's been Corey for a while. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But when I do my replay on Apple it's like basically Corey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for the last year.
Speaker 2:So you guys answer. And if you guys need a second to think about it, I have mine.
Speaker 1:Oh, you go ahead okay, for a sec, okay, um. So I have a few songs that I've been playing on repeat. Um, whatever songs I mentioned about casey's album, those have been on repeat. Same with ariana, um, but lately, these past couple days at least, there's like three that I've been kind of rotating between. Um, first one is oh, gemini, by role model, and then um scare of my guitar by olivia rodrigo stop yeah, you'll have to send me some
Speaker 2:of those, because I'd like to hear some of them because, these are people that I don't generally listen to, so I'd like to hear oh my gosh Seriously. You three can do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me and Ava talk about her all the time. Yeah, maybe not Tony Totally. And then the other one that has been on repeat a lot is next semester by 21 Pilots. That song is just perfect.
Speaker 3:Oh, by 21 pilots, that song is just perfect. Oh my gosh, 21 pilots. We can talk about them for the whole podcast too.
Speaker 1:They're perfect um. But yeah, I think those three mainly, and I'm sure there are some other ones that I've been having on repeat too, but those are the three that I can think of um that I've been listening to like the most. But yeah, I'll send them, send the top three.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, send them to me so I can try to appreciate something from them. And I'm not saying that in a bad way, but you know, sometimes they just what you're listening to doesn't relate. That's what the podcast is about, so I wouldn't mind hearing them.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. See that relate. That's, yeah, what the podcast is about.
Speaker 1:So I wouldn't mind hearing them go ahead. See um, I, especially recently. I feel like I've just listened. I've listened to billy's.
Speaker 3:What was I made for? Like over and over probably. Yeah, I mean it's, uh, it's just really good. I mean the. The lyrics are so good, the melody is beautiful. I'm a nerd for watching interviews and artist docs and like getting the story from the artist.
Speaker 1:I know, a lot of them.
Speaker 3:I know a lot of them like to kind of reserve some of that because they do want the listener to take it as their own. But I really like I don't prefer that.
Speaker 3:I know I want to know their story it comes to be and the thoughts behind it. Like I, I loved and I remember watching especially for this song. Um, they stripped back some of the production, showed some. You know what they kind of nested in there and, like I, I really like watching stuff on production too. Um, because it's fascinating, like sometimes you don't notice the things that they stick in there that's what I like about those two, because they've always shared their process yeah, not every singer does that.
Speaker 3:Like in detail they share and they're yeah and yeah I. That song probably is number one for me recently it's my number one for the year last.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. It was the best song of the year, I think um, I found myself going back to noah cyrus's stuff a lot too.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's her stuff, especially her collaboration.
Speaker 3:Oh, I can never remember the guy's name. What's his name?
Speaker 2:I need to. I need to put some of that on her on my list, PJ. I love Noah too.
Speaker 1:She is also someone that's the closest I'll ever get to country, and she's barely been country.
Speaker 3:Some of her songs.
Speaker 1:They have a little bit of a twang in it and I really don't mind it.
Speaker 2:I don't know either, because it's not real poppy.
Speaker 1:PJ Harding, that was so good. I don't because it's not real. Poppy, that was not really, but oh my gosh, I love her music so much.
Speaker 3:Again, she's good it's kind of the same deal like great songwriting, pretty, mostly pretty chill, very singable she was really good in concert.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh she was flawless, she was amazing, not a sour note and I could have just stood there.
Speaker 2:I kind of stuck out because it was a sea of girls and we were like three bodies back from the stage and I'm just sitting there like this and I'm like taller.
Speaker 3:So I'm just like yeah, just like taking it in. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I probably either looked really creepy or really bored, but I just was like just listening to her, yeah and the way she moved and the way she sang, and it was like purposeful, but not like it was just so good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she was really good. Yeah, um, yeah, besides listening to new music, I think those are, kind of recently, the stuff that I've kind of found myself going back to over and over.
Speaker 2:Ava do you.
Speaker 4:Obviously, ari and Casey I've been listening to, are we? Doing like more like songs or like just artists.
Speaker 1:Just whatever, just whatever you've been having on repeat.
Speaker 4:So American Olivia Rodrigo. That's like I just I love Olivia. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we could have a three hour podcast. I don't think I've listened to Guts like all the way through. I know Girl.
Speaker 1:I need to catch up. You need to catch up. You know what?
Speaker 3:I need to like somehow turn on some kind of notifications for certain singers.
Speaker 2:So that I know, yeah, I go, every Thursday night and Friday night or Friday morning I go straight to Apple and look at music. Yeah, see.
Speaker 3:I need to do that because, like I just keep track of it, I know. Unless I hear about it elsewhere. Like I, I'm really bad at keeping track of all that, but yeah, I need to listen to that.
Speaker 2:She's not one. That I don't know. Is that the lyrics? Is that her music? Is that her voice? What captures?
Speaker 3:all of it, everything like, especially because her voice doesn't catch me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it could be just so far, apart of relating.
Speaker 3:I guess maybe yeah, because it's very teenage.
Speaker 4:Avril Lavigne it's like this generation's Avril.
Speaker 2:I would say For sure, okay, just like the more.
Speaker 4:Rocky pop, grunge kind of Especially for Guts.
Speaker 3:Sour was more singer-songwriter.
Speaker 2:I love Avril Ballad heavy, but Guts is a lot more.
Speaker 1:I was just saying that Guts is a lot more sounding like Avril than Sour.
Speaker 2:Sour is very stripped back.
Speaker 1:It has a better mix on Guts.
Speaker 2:I'll have to listen to some songs, specifically because I like Avril. I don't listen to her music a lot, but I appreciate what it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And there's some songs that I really like because, like she came out in 2000. So, um, it was really catchy. Her early stuff was really catchy, so yeah, I, I love a lot.
Speaker 3:Rodrigo is really talented. The only thing that bugs me is she, she. She can sing without singing in cursive, but especially in her live shows.
Speaker 3:I feel like she tends to do that difficult she tends to kind of I can't kind of start leaning into, especially if she's singing like lower and softer. She's kind of good getting into that affect and I'm like girl just sing you can just sing, because she's that I hate it she's talented enough to not do that I don't know why people do that have you ever heard anybody talk about it.
Speaker 2:I think this tour.
Speaker 4:So far she's doing a lot better. I just think she was lacking the like training and like vocal support.
Speaker 1:She just needed to grow.
Speaker 4:She just needed to grow I mean, she was what like. That's why she only did small venues for her first tour, even though the demand was so much higher. So, oh my god, I could only I couldn't handle doing the moto center when I was 17 like she was like well she had that yeah crazy drivers over the yeah, yeah, probably a little quicker than anybody, anybody
Speaker 4:yeah yeah so I don't think she was ready for it and I think she was nervous and I think she didn't have the proper training. I think, yeah, she's still a little bit like okay, like you could work a little bit, but I'm like I couldn't do any better so like it's only gonna go up for her right.
Speaker 4:She just needs a little bit more experience and more training, and then I think she can she's aware of that yeah, totally, so, totally yeah and a lot of her songs, especially on gus, are more like talk singing a little bit like a lot of that, you know I mean not a lot of them, but like I'm just thinking, get.
Speaker 1:Him Back is really talky than singy. Let's see.
Speaker 4:I follow this page on TikTok. That's like albums you need to listen to today because I'm just listening to the same things over. There's this guy called Saros, which I think Saros. He's from Oregon. He's very Phoebe Bridgers I'm like is this Phooebe singing? But it's not.
Speaker 4:But his albums are so his writing or like the way he sounds, sounds like phoebe bridgers, both like his interesting voice is very phoebe and his writing is like good, like hold you by him is like so good, as I feel like my what I listen to depends on like the season, like yeah, it's like spring, summer, so I'm like going for more, like I feel that, like lana del rey, I'll listen in the fall because it's rainy and it just fits, because she's like again another singer who's right easy?
Speaker 3:to sing along yeah, and has great melodies and songwriting I'm constantly on slow I just listen to what
Speaker 4:I want it doesn't matter what the season is but no, I get that yeah, for me it depends on my mood it depends on my mood
Speaker 2:yeah like I listened to zach. It came up in my tony myers radio. You know the little thing on the on apple and I'm like god, this is perfect for you know, it's like a sunny day you know today here and it's like I just want to go walk down a gravel driveway. Yeah in the country and listen to this, because that's like the soundtrack of like out oh yeah rural, walking down or driving your pickup, not like a country, like I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just like a picture explodes in my head for certain people yes, totally yeah so yeah, and then there's times when I drive mama nuts and just listen to george michael.
Speaker 3:She loves it when I listen to george michael oh man, like I, like, like in the summertime or like when it's sunny out, I I tend to go for like alternative music yes like like hippocampus kind of some, some uh bands that are, yeah, I mean, I guess, a mix of those that might be a little more popular maybe less popular, just, or like even um, what was that? They run hate drugs are also kind of a smaller band, but they have kind of a beachy sound sometimes or like yeah, I don't know the energy is different I do like wallows and umordova Street for.
Speaker 1:Sonny.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's that alternative music. I love Cordova Street. It's perfect. Yeah, he's got a great voice.
Speaker 1:That's another. That's my man. That's another man.
Speaker 4:That's her other man. You have a lot of mans, I have a lot of mans.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:All right, well, we should probably wrap up.
Speaker 3:Is there anything else that you guys want to say?
Speaker 2:or anything else. I love music. I did listen to beyonce's concept country album. Very concepty, it's not like country country. Oh, what I find about interesting about her. I'm not gonna listen to it. She's not my thing. I appreciate, appreciate who she is and what she does and all of that, but the way she sings. I thought about her when you were talking about rhythm and I can't remember how she sings. You'd have to be very talented to sing her at karaoke, I feel like.
Speaker 3:Oh gosh yeah.
Speaker 2:Because her rhythms and the way she says her words, she has a very distinctive sound. Do you guys know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 3:yes, it's very.
Speaker 2:She's got a vibrato that she, but it's her rhythms and her beats with her voice. That's very beyonce like her.
Speaker 3:She does a lot. This is her complex, like artistic stuff yeah, and that is her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she does that on every album yeah.
Speaker 3:I I feel like I need to mention Jacob Collier because he's been working over for a long time I don't even know how long he's been doing this four volume project called jesse and it's just like a super diverse project of songs, like kind of all over the world type deal and um, he's come out with his fourth volume and josh and I we've seen him a few times and uh, this one's just gonna be super crazy because it's the fourth volume and we can't wait to see him live. It's gonna be so good. Oh my gosh, he's just, he is so underrated.
Speaker 2:He's like a musical mastermind, probably the smartest artist out there is he like uh john baptiste, because a lot of people have you guys listened to him at all? A black artist. He is viewed the same way like he'll infuse classic and jazz oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like he goes all over the place.
Speaker 2:Like a lot of people consider him like a musical genius yeah, like, like, uh, what, what?
Speaker 3:there's a name for that um starts with a v. I think of the, I can't remember. There's a um, there's a word for people who are just like above and beyond, like anybody yes it's a word like that, for it's like. I think it's in that, I don't know if it's an italian word but anyway um, I see him as just musical einstein level like just a genius yeah, mackie, any last words virtuoso
Speaker 1:that's the word oh yeah, what is it?
Speaker 3:virtuoso.
Speaker 1:I think it's like okay, um, I respect beyonce and jacob collier, but neither of their music is for me. Yeah it just doesn't capture it's fair enough, but I do respect them a lot for who they are and what they do and what they have done yeah, um, but yeah, it just doesn't compute in my brain, right?
Speaker 3:so you have to under. Yeah, it's just one of those things like like it clicks with you or it doesn't, yeah, and you like, if you're really nerdy, it's gonna click with you. You know, this is kind of how it is right, yeah uh ava, do you have anything else?
Speaker 2:I don't think so all right well, thank you so much for joining us. It was a lot of fun I love me I love listening to the three of you like really nerd out like in detail on certain things, like a lot of the ariana stuff like you guys are really into it. The lyrics you know write what you, what you like and all that. I really appreciate that I like I love just listening to you like, really like, get excited about, get excited about it so it's fun to talk about yeah, so thank you so much, cc.
Speaker 2:Obviously, yeah, always love having you. Uh, mackie, you good. Yeah, all right. Well, thanks so much for listening to this episode of Generation Pop and we'll catch you next time. Thanks guys, bye, bye.
