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SieMak Podcasts
Welcome to SieMak Podcasts. A family of podcasts of different sorts for different tastes.
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Cause I Wanna Know - brings stories of people. In depth conversations that peel back what makes them tick and what has inspired them and moved them in the direction that they have forged.
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GPOP 4 From Slow Burns to High Drama: TV and Movie Talk
Ever wondered why some shows become our go-to background noise while others have us hooked, despite their flaws? Makayla and Tony dive into the peculiar appeal of "Is it Cake?" and the mixed emotions elicited by "Your Honor." They discuss how "The Bear" masterfully balances chaos with deep storytelling, and why a revisit to the slower-paced "Alone" might just be the perfect antidote. Expect an engaging conversation that juxtaposes high energy with reflective viewing.
Movies and music take center stage as we explore symbolism in "Skinamarink" and the unexpected storytelling of "The Bike Riders." Makayla and Tony also share their admiration for young actors in "Dune 2" and their thoughts on films like "The First Omen," "Immaculate," and "The Iron Claw." Wrapping up with a musical journey from "Deeper Well" to classics by Prince and Michael Jackson, this episode promises a blend of nostalgia and fresh perspectives. Don't forget to interact with us via our podcast platform, where we value your feedback and suggestions!
hey, welcome back to gpop. I'm tony and I am michaela.
Speaker 2:Hello michaela, hello tony.
Speaker 3:And I am Mikayla.
Speaker 2:Hello Mikayla.
Speaker 3:Hello Tony.
Speaker 2:It's been a little while since we've recorded an episode, but that's okay. We've got some stuff to talk about. Yep Right.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay. We have an agenda. What do you want to talk about first?
Speaker 3:Well, we could probably just go through.
Speaker 2:Your list. Yeah, just go through the whole list, Okay so you sent me a list, and the first thing on it is what current TV shows are we watching? Why don't you go first, because I think yours is longer than mine by three.
Speaker 3:It is, so I'm watching a few right now. Um, I'm watching the newest season of the bear.
Speaker 2:I've only watched the first two episodes, um, but I just need to get back into it now I've heard this this season is not as great as the others or is a little hard to get into. Is there any truth to that based on the first two seasons? I haven't watched it. It's not something I'm watching, so I don't know.
Speaker 3:The first two seasons were really good. I haven't really heard much of this newest season yet because I try not to, but I can see why people might feel that way, because the first episode was very like not a lot happened and usually the show is like super chaotic all the time.
Speaker 2:um so do you think it's a pace thing, is it? This might be quieter, it might be a pacing thing.
Speaker 3:But I think the first episode it was more just like establishing where they're at now, because they kind of go back to what their life was before they started the restaurant. And then, um, it came. It gave a little bit more backstory, because we've heard them talk about these things like throughout the seasons but we didn't actually see it. So that's what they were kind of showing. And then I think that by the second episode it picked up. I think that it was just the first episode that was a little bit slower than the other ones but, are you on bear tiktok?
Speaker 2:no I know I try not to be, because I'm only two episodes in and I don't want spoilers well, they're uh, I don't think they're spoilers, they're just people reenacting kind of what they feel like to show, you know oh, yeah, yeah, I have seen people like in the kitchen, like reenact certain scenes. It's really funny yeah, or sitting out and smoking, or whatever yeah, I have seen some um, I, I tried to think of what I'm watching.
Speaker 2:I just finished up the crown because I which I took a long pause on I went all the way up to episode six and then stopped since, like the winter, and just kind of stopped watching it. I love this show. I don't know, I'm not gonna worry about why I did that or not, but I there's been some shows that I've wanted to watch, so I wanted to finish that before I started anything new. So I finished it, and it was the last season, um, uh, last season of the series, so it's like closed out, it's done, but it was a really well-made all the way through, really well-made high, high budget you know series, so it was really good. Um, I'm into british lore. I've always been fascinated by it. Um, uh, so I finished that. I'm not sure why. What I was gonna go to, though, because I wanted to finish it, thinking I was gonna go to something else, but I don't even remember what Me and your mom are watching Presumed Innocent on Apple TV+, which is really good, with Jake Gyllenhaal and one of the Skarsgård brothers.
Speaker 3:Oh Bill.
Speaker 2:Bill and he's married to Maggie Gyllenhaal, so and jake have a relationship, and so I've heard, uh, an interview, I think, with jake where he's talking about that closeness that they have, since he's his brother-in-law, because they're they're at odds in this series. So he said it actually makes it a little bit easier because we know each other. It's like if you and I were acting, or me and your sister you and your sister where there's a comfortability.
Speaker 2:So if there is some tenseness, there's a lot of trust and all of that. So it was kind of cool. Um, that is really good. It's based on a book. There was a movie that was that had um harrison ford in it in 1990. Excuse me that I'm I don't think your mom knew about it. Um, back then it was 1990, it was before I graduated. Um, I can't remember if I saw it. I kind of want to go back and watch it after we get done with the series. But the series obviously is like uh, probably follows the book more because it's over six or eight episodes, so it's a lot more than just like a two hour quick movie. So we're watching that really good.
Speaker 2:Um, there's some some of the writing or some of the you know and it could just be the way the book was written is kind of predictable and like nobody would really do that kind of thing. Like you know, you and I have talked about that kind of stuff where it's like that the idea is kind of a cheap idea, it's not a lot of thought to it. I mean this is really well done and high quality. But there's some of those story points where it's like that could have done, you know, but it could just be the way that the author wrote the book too yeah so just I kind of um, uh.
Speaker 2:And then the only other thing that I'm really watching consistently is this girl and her boyfriend on YouTube, where I started following them on TikTok, and she specifically, but her boyfriend as well. They just talk, like you and I are talking right now, so there's not a lot of energy, um, which I really like, and when I when I first started listening to her clips, a lot of the comments were the same, like this is my new comfort TikTok or comfort YouTube show or whatever, and which I could totally um agree with. Like it was. It's just very calming the way they talk, cause they just talk. There's no fake enthusiasm or whatever. It's just them doing their thing, like if they didn't have a camera on. That's how they talk, so there.
Speaker 2:So then I realized that I think they mentioned or something that they were on youtube. So it's just these 20 minute episodes on youtube and um that she releases every wednesday and it's them remodeling this home. They're from canada, they live in vancouver and they're basically gutted this abandoned house that had all the previous owner stuff, a lot of their previous owner stuff in it, so they had to clear that out, take walls down, because it had been abandoned. Anyways, they figure that it's going to take like two years and so.
Speaker 2:So I just watch that every Wednesday when I come home from work, so, and it's not called anything, it's just her personal page, jenna Nisbet or something like that, and she was a YouTuber before where she did knitting and crocheting. That was her page, and now it's basically all of her and her boyfriend doing this house and her dad comes and helps once in a while or they have some kid that helps, but it's mainly the two of them and it's basically their job because they're making money off of the viewership. So they have like three or four hundred views, you know, like the first day of each episode. It's kind of crazy. So, anyways, those are basically the three things that I'm watching. I just went through all of mine yeah, I have two more still so what are your other two?
Speaker 3:um, I'm also watching, unfortunately, I'm also watching. Unfortunately, I'm also watching.
Speaker 2:Is it Cake? Oh yeah, you said you didn't really like it.
Speaker 3:No, it's such a bad show but I like to put it on for background If I don't have anything else to watch. It is kind of fun. It's fun to watch, but it's a horrible show. Fun to watch, but it's a horrible show. Um, if I'm in the mood, I'll be watching new girl, probably, um, but the other show that I've been watching is your honor on netflix featuring b Cranston yeah, I think that's one that I want to watch. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:It's on the third season, right or second?
Speaker 3:Yes, there's only two seasons out right now. I thought I read that they weren't going to continue it, but I just finished episode nine of season one today, so I just have one more episode left of the season, and you would recommend it.
Speaker 3:I think, if you're willing to like just sit through a lot of, I mean, I guess it's a good balance of things happening and also like people just very full of dialogue kind of. But it's also it's so chaotic and it's like it's kind of stressful. Like you know that there's this thing, well, there's a few things that are just kind of stressful. Like you know that there's this thing, well, there's a few things that are just kind of floating around, um, that not a ton of people in the show know about, um, and it's like, okay, when is this thing gonna come out? When is this gonna come out? Um, and it's kind of like it's just it's very tense. The whole thing is very tense and it's some of the well, most of the people's, just like most of the characters, decisions are really annoying. So it's like kind of one of those shows it's like kind of annoying to watch, but it also like it.
Speaker 2:It's very tense do you have a question? That's kind of connected to the shows, kind of indirectly, but all three of the shows that you watch are kind of chaos and you're kind of like like to be chill and don't like a lot of chaos, so why watching, is it?
Speaker 3:what do you think?
Speaker 2:to calm things down a little bit maybe, but I does that stress you out like too much. Um, do you know what I'm saying? Because you're watching these really and you don't like to be amped a whole lot.
Speaker 3:So no, so well, I think, with your honor, there are things that will, like stress me out a little bit, but the people's, like their decisions, are so poor that I'm just like, oh my god, these people are stupid. Like there's no way this, any of this, is going to end well. So I kind of know, like I kind of know what to but the chaos feel of the show, doesn't?
Speaker 3:you know the, the angst of the shows, don't bug you too much no, surprisingly, the bear like obviously there are moments where it's like stressful and I just want to go in there and shake everyone tell them to calm down, because it's not that serious but they give at least for the bear. They give so much context to how they grew up and their families that it it's like okay, well, that makes sense that he's cussing at his cousin every five seconds you know what I? Mean. So it's like or like.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of like. There's a lot of like family issues and.
Speaker 2:So they give you all that context.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So then you see them interact with each other, but since they give you so much character that you have empathy, like, just like in real life, yeah. Like if you know somebody's history and they're kind of a jerk it kind of helps you a little bit.
Speaker 3:You have yeah context and then now empathy yeah, you kind of understand it's still maybe annoying, but yeah, and it also just makes sense for the area that they're into. They're in chicago, I think, so um, and not in like a pretty area of chicago, so um. So that kind of helps make sense of it too.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, I mean there would be some parts where, like, the yelling would be like, okay, this is a little bit much for me, not for not the show necessarily sure, um, but it's, yeah, it's fine, surprisingly and I also don't watch them like, at least with the bear right now I haven't been watching them like back to back like I did with the first two seasons just because I was waiting to watch the rest of the show for when I had the second week of jury duty. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Because I just wanted to be able to watch them on my lunches, so I didn't watch it. But I don't have to do that anymore, so I can just watch it whenever I want to. But I think I wanted to finish this season of your honor, at least, and then get back into the bear, because I have one episode left. But yeah, your honor was just something that I wanted to try. Um, will I get through the whole thing? I don't know, but the Bear I'm definitely going to get through.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, that's kind of the hot show. That's my ride, or die.
Speaker 3:I love that show. It's really good and that's another part of it too is that it's just done so well that that helps a lot of it, and I love some of the actors in it too, and the cast just makes it a lot of it, and I love some of the actors in it too, and the cast just makes it.
Speaker 2:It makes it a lot of fun to watch, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, I might have to give that one a shot, because it's kind of the it show right now a lot of people are watching, yeah so I, what I really want to get back into is alone, um, me and your mom watched most of the season but we kind of got off of it. But it's such a really slow feel that I remember watching it in bed at our old house you know the early seasons and it just feeling like I really liked it because I like the pace, I like the nature, you know the aesthetics, it's where they drop them off okay in alaska yeah yeah, and they just have to figure it out yeah, and so there's like I don't know, say, 15 people in the winter.
Speaker 2:Is the person that doesn't call in?
Speaker 3:yeah to say that they're done, so that so they just go on until the last person is, which could be just months yeah so the, and you know, they're all, they're all in the general, same general location, but they don't see, they're alone.
Speaker 2:So, and it's usually like fallish going into winter. So they have certain supplies that they can take, but then they have to hunt, they have to build their own little house and some of them are really elaborate, you know, especially with winter, and they have to figure out how to, you know, do like a little stove or a little fire inside their, you know, log house or whatever they build their home with. So they all have some sort of survivalist skills, you know, and the person that wins doesn't know who's left, you know, nobody knows who's left, how many people. So they just have to wait and unless they call in for the, you know, for the people to come and get them, for production to come and get them, and then they'll do like health checks, because some of them can get real skinny, some of them have gotten booted because they're just not getting the nourishment, especially as winter settles in if they
Speaker 2:haven't hunted and prepped, you know before, um, they'll just, you know, they'll just yank them because they're in such poor health. So somebody does come in, I think like once a week. Does you know their vitals and you know? But, um, it's pretty, it's pretty intense, um, as it goes on. But I think it's you, you get clips of just one person and they're talking about what they're doing and how they're surviving and their families. So it's a very quiet. You know pace and and the aesthetic, because they're out in the forest and the water and stuff. Um, I'm really into that. So it's a very easy show to watch and I haven't watched the last couple seasons but I want to get into it because I think there's a new one right now and it's only in it's, I think, like third or fourth week. So I want to get back into it because I really like the pace and the look of it. But yeah, um, and that gal's name her name is jenna phipps, p-h-i-p-p-s. Her and her boyfriend are, they're just chill, doing this house on their own.
Speaker 2:A lot of people have told them that they should just tear it down, but they're trying to rebuild it because it's it's a pretty defeats the purpose of so many things yeah, I mean it's pretty rotten, a lot of like carpenter ants and a lot of the wood is like they can just rip down or it's hollow from being rot, you know. So it's a mid-century home, so it's pretty old, but the views and the houses around it are beautiful, so it'll be cool to see if they make it. You know, they've got the roof completely off and a lot of the walls down, so, uh, we'll see where they, where they go from here. But it's uh, I like it, um, yeah, and I like uh, um, what's the last one? Uh, you mentioned that you always go back to is it cake?
Speaker 2:no your honor no the bear no, what are? You talking about the um new girl oh, new, girl, yes you're watched that.
Speaker 3:You watch that often I watch it all the time and I.
Speaker 2:I don't mind it, it's one that I can watch yeah, and it's. It's so crazy because you've been watching it over and over for years now yeah and all of them like it's gotten such a kind of revival, like the like, the office and stuff. People appreciate it, I think more now than when it was on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, same with Glee too. It's kind of crazy because they're like L'Amour's doing a podcast with Hannah.
Speaker 2:Now Jake's got a different one that doesn't have anything to do with the show, but he's had people on from New Girl and then they I think they're doing, are they? Yeah, I think lamore and hannah are doing like the they're doing the recap.
Speaker 3:It was them too, and zoe, but I don't know what, why she's not on it anymore. But they've rebranded the podcast like three times at this point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, because lamore had his own kind of his own thing going, or he may still have it going right? Does he have? Yeah, he still has it going?
Speaker 3:um, so they did the podcast with the three of them, um, and then for a while they started just re-uploading reruns and I was like and the the episodes were already getting a little hard to listen to. Um, because it was very like. Compared to the glee recap podcast that I listened to and the boy meets world one, those two are so like, like they're so organized and they go, they talk through the whole episode and they talk through what was going on, like what was going on, and like what was popular at the time
Speaker 3:and like those two are so organized with how they do things, like they have like side conversations but it's all related to what they're talking about and then they get right back into it, whereas for this one it's really easy for, I think, especially Lamorne to kind of trail off and I've noticed that about him since the one with the three of them that he he tends to just kind of trail off into a whole different conversation, and then Hannah's, that's his best friend, so they just talk about the most random thing.
Speaker 3:It's like we're not even talking about the episode anymore, like I think, the most recent podcast episode I tried to listen to and they I'm they just didn't talk about it a whole lot and it's it's a little hard to listen to I'm not gonna lie, but um yeah, I listen to, but I love them, I love the show I listen to.
Speaker 2:Uh, ted danson and woody harrelson is doing a podcast, um, kind of not based on cheers, but it's I think it's called, where everybody knows your name and then it's so it's just talking to famous people and they're not that like I don't think they write questions down, and so it's really hard. It's like there might be a pause, like ted dancing, like they don't know what to say, like they kind of it kind of dies for a second and then they try to like it's not done.
Speaker 2:Real well, you can tell both of them have never like barely listened to podcasts, or like it's not. I might jump back into one more I listened to one and, but I can't.
Speaker 3:It was really hard. It was really hard to listen to them being the because they don't know anything. No, I can't see them being the kind of guys to no, because they're not.
Speaker 2:They're not connected.
Speaker 3:Of him correctly?
Speaker 2:They're not connected really to current things. And there were things that somebody mentioned and they had no idea. It was like something that you would hear in therapy or something, and it was like kind of a basic thing I thought everybody knew and neither one of them had any clue. It's like they kind of live in this, their own world, and it's almost like they're. You can kind of tell they're kind of sheltered in this hollywood thing. Um, I mean, that could be a bad take because I haven't listened to a lot of it, but it, what I listened to, was kind of tough, like they didn't know how to do what we're doing yeah like it would just kind of die and they would kind of ask another kind of mid question and that's so weird.
Speaker 3:It makes me wonder they're both older. It makes me wonder if someone, like on one of their teams, was like hey, this is like big right now, like everyone's listening, yeah, everybody's doing it, yeah well and they have an in because they do it with team coco through conan o'brien's production, you know podcast production company.
Speaker 2:So they just do it in his studio and so they just it's an easy connection and, like it's a, the concept on paper is pretty good, but they seem kind of old and out of the space. You know what I'm saying. Like it's almost kind of beyond them and they it's. They almost don't know how to carry on a conversation. Kind of weird, I don't know. I didn't like it. It was very uncomfortable.
Speaker 3:It was really weird. So, but yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, we're done with TV for now. Um, yeah, um you and I text a lot we do your stuff is way back and it was just yesterday. It's so far okay. So uh, movies we just watched. Does that mean together or separately?
Speaker 3:oh, I just wrote some down for together. I haven't been watching movies in a ton, and the one that I watched with ma a couple weeks ago was odd well, you and I watched.
Speaker 2:Uh, was that? I saw the tv glow a while back yeah uh, we talked, we had a whole conversation about it and then we're like we should be podcast yeah, we're like why but it's been long enough that I don't remember what I said. So yeah, kind of remember, kind of don't yeah yeah, so what are your thoughts on that, mike kenner so that one generates.
Speaker 3:I remember when we came home, my mom was like oh, what did you think of the movie? Said ask me in three days because you needed a process.
Speaker 3:It was it was a lot and I feel like it was very well. It was very like symbolism. Heavy, um, which is fine, um, I don't. I don't mind some, but when it's that heavy like that, sometimes it gets a little too abstract for me. Yeah, to where I'm like okay, I'm really having to think about this and what it all means, which sometimes I don't mind kind of like a song, you know where you think it might mean something.
Speaker 2:And it could mean something to you because I it meant something different to me than what it did for you. And it could mean something to you because I it meant something different to me than what it did for you. And I don't think either one of them are our thoughts about it or what we took away from it was what the intent was of the movie yeah, because I think what the intent of the movie was was a lot around like confusion surrounding identity and what kind of identity? Just identity in general.
Speaker 3:Um.
Speaker 2:Because I read somewhere or I saw a comment that some of it was like trans.
Speaker 3:Yeah, which I?
Speaker 2:didn't. There was one part where the actor wore a dress, but I didn't take that as a trans thing. It was. I took it more, wasn't.
Speaker 3:It wasn't that in a dream state kind of yeah it was kind of, I think because I think we so it was like he was just a character, not him, but it was from the, from the show that they were watching.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which was a girl yeah and he was the girl, but he was the guy yeah, in the dream, in the dress which I didn't take any kind of trans thing from that, it was just it because of the context. It made sense that he wore a dress because in the dream he was the, a girl from the show that they watched.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying yeah like because yeah, it was the show that they were watching. I think that's where the symbolism thing comes through, because how I saw it, at least, was that you like they got so into the show that they um, I just lost what I was going to say. Took on the identity they like got so into it that it eventually did become their reality. Like it was. It might have been like more of a like, I don't even know.
Speaker 2:Well, and I don't know if that was part of it, that's what somebody said. I didn't watch a whole lot of interviews with the actors. I think we watched a couple because, or with the director. I just don't see that as a trans thing. It it just went along with the show, it made sense yeah for me it it was in context of what they were obsessed with yeah, the show that they were obsessed with yeah and I think the reason why they were so obsessed with the show is because what I took away from the movie is that they had really hard childhoods.
Speaker 2:The boy, his dad, was really mean, his mom died of cancer right, and so he was left with this, his dad, and his dad really kind of didn't, was kind of isolating too and drinking a lot, and he lost his wife and not paying too much attention to him and I don't. I think maybe he thought his son was a little weird and so he didn't give him a lot of attention yeah, whatever attention it was, it was like negative, yeah, and so I just took it away. I just took away from that.
Speaker 3:It was just. It's like a really extreme version of escaping.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, and he found this girl to hang out with and then they got obsessed with this show and then she had a crappy childhood too. There was a lot of fighting, and so she was kind of trying to escape from. That was a lot of fighting, and so she was kind of trying to escape from that, and so it's more like escaping their childhoods that you know what they had to live with the parents that they had to live with.
Speaker 2:It was like it was more about escapism. I didn't get a lot of identity, like a little bit of identity, but like yeah but more that than anything that had to do with LGBTQ or whatever it is the trans thing. I didn't get any of that. Like she was a lesbian or she said she liked girls, but it was, she just liked girls.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like it wasn't a big part of that. She just happened to like girls, you know what I'm saying. It wasn't like a plot driver yeah so that's kind of what I took away from it is that there were kind of loners and they found each other and you know yeah, and I'm wondering, and maybe some depression, yeah in there but I don't I don't. I didn't see a whole lot from the community side. I didn't pick up a lot of that.
Speaker 3:I wonder if the people that did pick up on that being the theme, if some people or the majority of the people that saw it that way like, have felt that way themselves yeah um and so they and they can see it a little bit more than we can, because we obviously haven't had any like thoughts or feelings of surrounding that kind of like for ourselves surrounding that kind of identity thing.
Speaker 3:So maybe we just don't see or feel well, the way they might, because they are the ones that are going through it right and I think it's just.
Speaker 2:I think what we came away um is that you're going to come away with it, however, wherever you're at or wherever you were. So we kind of talked about the difference between the two of us, which was kind of goes along with this podcast? You and I kind of viewed things generationally different. Does that make?
Speaker 2:sense like you thought of it a different way than I did and I didn't like when we moved back here I I kind of felt a little bit of that loneliness, not to that degree, but when I moved back here I didn't have a lot of friends and and there was some identity issues, not like, obviously, from the LGBTQ. Is that it? Is that it Right?
Speaker 3:LGBTQ.
Speaker 2:I'm forgetting the T, you're missing the T, you know it was just who I was in this new place, because I came to high school in a different state, a completely different part of the country. I had no friends, and so that's kind of how I related to it and so that's how I viewed it. I can completely understand why a gay young man or a lesbian young girl would identify in that way with it. You know what I'm saying because that's where they're yeah, yeah so like anything. You kind of take away it.
Speaker 2:You know it's kind of it's all subjective yeah, you know and the intent of the writer and the director could be of that. But that's me being older and my experiences.
Speaker 3:That's what I took away from it. Yeah, does that all make sense? Yeah, yeah, it does.
Speaker 2:Do you have anything else about that?
Speaker 3:I did, and then it left, oh.
Speaker 2:Was it because I talked too long?
Speaker 3:Maybe, but also my brain is foggy for some reason.
Speaker 2:Well, that was my four cents.
Speaker 3:Oh, I remember what I was going to say now. Go remember what I was gonna say now.
Speaker 3:um, I wonder if it was um a little bit more abstract or heavy symbolism on purpose, so people could have their own, like personal interpretation to it because I just went back and looked on our thread about the show and I mentioned something about getting the feeling of kind of having that sinking feeling of like being so obsessed with a certain show and like wanting to be there almost like, and it wasn't to get away from what you're in yeah, like, but for me it's not.
Speaker 3:Like home is hard, you know what I mean. Like it's just an environment that I'd want to be a part of, if that makes sense, like, but I guess it would be.
Speaker 2:It's a lot deeper than that for this show and for other people's experiences, because I don't have a hard home life right um, but I do understand the level of obsession someone can have about a show, obviously because of how many times I've watched certain shows and yeah, and then, just being one of, I get the, I get the heaviness of it and I get um, wanting, wanting to escape into it.
Speaker 2:I mean I've told you in a joking way what you know when I was eight, nine years old, I would have prayed to Jesus that I would, I would have superpowers that I could fly, that I could shoot webs out of, like all the superpowers, that I could shoot webs out, like all the superpowers. And I prayed in earnest, like I, because I, you know, because I was you know I would get picked on at school and I just wanted to show you know and just start flying around. So it was. I mean you could say I wouldn't say like total unhealthy obsession, but you know, it was like an imagination kind of thing. It was like I'm, I want to have these things, so I'm seen and I'll show them, kind of thing, so. But so there was a little bit of obsession to that, like wanting to escape into that and just showing people I'm gonna yeah show you or not showing them anything and just be out yeah, right, yeah, so, uh, I, I get it.
Speaker 2:I get it as much as I can get it. I, you know, and you know, just taking it to that, especially with where they were and being so depressed in their situations where they would be come, so obsessed that they want to be in it, and it became real for the girl you know, it was like yeah, it was like real um. So yeah, it's. It was an interesting movie.
Speaker 3:I might go back and watch some interviews about it yeah, I was just trying to see if, um if, the director has said anything about I'm sure exactly it means to them I'm sure there's some conversation yeah deeper conversation about it, especially from the. I think it is um mainly about identity and trying to figure that out um but, it was very pretty pretty colors very fun soundtrack or score yeah, uh, and then what else have we seen?
Speaker 3:we just saw um, yeah, how, okay, before we get into bike riders, what else did we see? It was a while ago. I can't remember if we talked about how we saw um, the first omen and Immaculate, did I see that?
Speaker 2:No, I saw Immaculate with my friend Jocelyn, I think.
Speaker 3:But we saw the first Omen.
Speaker 2:We saw the Iron Claw back in January. Did we talk about that? I can't remember, I don't think so um the iron claw was so good I don't remember when our last podcast was um, yeah, we saw the first omen, and then what's it called?
Speaker 3:I saw Immaculate. I think I saw the first omen and Immaculate too close to each other Because I was just talking to my coworker about this and my manager a couple weeks ago. Um, I, those two came out around the same time and they are very, very similar movies. One is just a little bit more artsy than the other, one is and a little bit more gory, I guess which um, immaculate and the first omen. Yeah, I think I saw those two close together.
Speaker 3:They came out at the same time which was a poor decision, I think, because they were way too similar to each other. Like it had the same premise of like oh, this girl is going to this catholic thing and becoming a nun, and then oh yeah, she's pregnant with a demon. And then right, they're both literally the same thing right and then they think that she's some kind of as a prequel something and it's like, oh, it's a whole thing, but they're pretty much the same premise right um, yeah, we saw the iron claw yes we did.
Speaker 2:I don't think we talked about it I don't think so too the last podcast we talked about casey oh, yeah, another music yeah, so that was really good, uh. Dune 2 dune 2.
Speaker 3:I think I mentioned how many times I've seen it in the other episode. I think I saw it three that was back in march three times in the theater yeah, that cast.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure I talked about the cast. We talked about the cast yeah, I really admire all of those young actors that are like coming up right now. I really like all of them because they I think I mentioned this before- I know we've talked about it. They all seem to take acting in the industry really seriously. They're interested in cinema, not just acting, but behind the scenes and what goes into it, and all of that, which I really admire. I really like that. And then we just saw the bike riders.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:So what are your thoughts? Because you wanted to wait until we got on mic to tell me what you thought. We just watched that last night.
Speaker 3:This might be.
Speaker 2:Or Monday.
Speaker 3:Okay. So it was a very cute movie, which is strange to say because some of the scenes are very harsh, but the gal that kind of it was different than what I thought it was gonna be like. I did not think it was gonna be like a gal telling a story the whole time, which is fine, but it was just like the kid that. I don't know if I just didn't see the trailer enough times to catch on to what it was, but at least like the trailer didn't seem like it was gonna be that type of movie, um. So I was like kind of glad that it was that way, because I was thinking it's just gonna be like like guys on bikes and it's just action the whole time. But it wasn't really that.
Speaker 3:So I'm glad that it ended up being the movie that it was. I think it was casted really well. All of the cast was great. The gal that told this story throughout the movie was so funny and it was kind of it was pretty predictable to me, because I remember which oh, spoiler, if you're wanting to go see bike riders, don't listen to me um, skip, but um, when they were talking about I forgot his name, but like the leader of the tom hardy's game, the gang.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like the leader of the group. Like when they were starting to talk about him, like I thought at first that Austin Butler's character was going to die, because I was like, well, something tragic has to happen, because they didn't really, the way they set it up, didn't really like show that quite yet. But I was like, okay, so this is like a storyteller type movie, like something tragic has to happen. But I was like, okay, so this is like a storyteller type movie, like something tragic has to happen. And then they introduced that 20-year-old boy character that was trying to get into the Viking and I was like, oh, he's going to kill the leader for sure and right. When we met his character, I was like, okay, nothing's going to happen to Austin Butler, the leader's going out, like he's out. And then when all that like finally happened, I was like, yeah, that's sad, but I, it was really predictable.
Speaker 2:Um, but it was nice having that balance of like really harsh moments and then like cutting back to her yeah, and the way she talked, yeah, the way she talked was really funny, she's just very straightforward and didn't take a whole lot off of those guys yeah except for that one scene where she was kind of ganged up on, oh my gosh, that was terrifying but she, yeah, that was terrifying scary but, she, but if she was one-on-one with the guys, she really didn't take a whole lot of yeah I thought it was really interesting. I don't it's based on a true story, it's based on I was wondering that because I know there was a book yeah, and then they showed the pictures and I was like okay, is this a true story?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think it's inspired by a very large bike gang that still exists in chicago and the director was a little nervous because he didn't want to. You know rift, because it's still, it's more. I think the gang now is more like what it, what was shown in the end with all the drugs and stuff like that, because Tom Hardy's character, I think, had a very normal life, but I think he just wanted a hobby.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he was inspired by and he was inspired on the tv and was like, oh, he was inspired by the old, the easy rider and stuff like that, and uh, the movie, and just wanted to start a bike club where guys just work guys. So it was. It was a lot about, um, doing something. It was a lot about like a purpose. It was a lot about camaraderie and hanging out with other the guys. Hanging out with other guys it was like companionship and they all kind of saw themselves as outcasts to some degree. Some of them were, some of them weren't. I mean, he had a normal life, he was a truck driver, he had a wife and kids, but I think it was a lot about belonging to something and belonging and being with other guys and because guys don't do that a lot, um, or or it looks like a gang like that, um, so, and then I think it just got so big and so out of control that I'm almost wondering if he knew he was going to die, like because he wanted Austin Butler to take over.
Speaker 2:Like he was done, he wanted out desperately and he talked to Austin Butler's character at the end and then that's when he left because he didn't want to take it over. And I feel like he was really desperate to get out of it and I'm wondering if he thought the only way I can get out of it is like getting killed. So I'm almost wondering. Well, yeah, because he knew he was going, something bad was going to happen.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like he almost wanted that kid to win. But I also don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know if he you know, it's up to us, but when I was sitting there watching that, knowing the conversation and how desperate he was with austin butler's character, I was left wondering if that was his intent well, probably like the only way to get out was to die, or or at the very least, get beat up enough it to wear that because remember, when they, um, when that one guy I forget his name too, it's some like beetle or something, I'm totally getting this wrong um, but the guy that wanted to leave to become a police officer yeah when he brought it up to the leader him and benny austin butler's character they had to go and shoot his knees, like they, like that.
Speaker 3:That I mean that could be because he knew what was gonna probably happen if he did say, hey, I want to quit, like because that that's what that other guy did, and they, those two, had to go and do what they. Yeah, and that guy was expecting it.
Speaker 2:That guy knew, like he knew that that was the only way I I was a little lost in that, but I guess it was like his only way to like get out and and um, what was the leader's name I can't remember. I remember benny johnny. It was like johnny's way of like letting him out, but he had to do something. There needed to be some kind of punishment and that guy knew that there needed to be something to get out of it and still be safe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if that makes sense. I think it was just. I think in the beginning it was just a place for all those guys to go to, even though they were married. It was something that they felt a part of that they had. It's like any other gang they feel important, they feel wanted, they feel seen, which is not something that they had. It's like any other gang they feel important, they feel wanted, they feel seen, which is not something that they talked about back then, but I think that was a part of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then it got so big and out of control they're like I can't, this is not the life I want to. This has become bigger and Johnny at one point realized that you you know the law was afraid of him, so that you know there was kind of a power thing there and that also kind of where is part of where, when all kind of went wrong and started going down. That you know that wrong, that bad path. But it's an interesting. I think there was a lot of ideas and a lot of. Again, it's all up to our interpretation, but that's kind of what I took away from it.
Speaker 2:It was just guys that wanted to be a part of something which is what, yeah, gangs typically are is just lost boys or lost guys that just want to be a part, because they're not, they've never been or they've been in kind of an outcast and like this is their space. So but it was, it was good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 2:I liked it. I enjoyed it. Yeah, so I think the next one we're going to go see is Long Legs.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Which is getting a little bit of hype.
Speaker 3:Has.
Speaker 2:Nicolas Cage in it and he's getting some. It's a kind of a different Well's. It's a different role for him, but he's also played a lot of weird roles, like a lot of weird parts yeah a lot of weird character, different characters. So it'll be interesting to see. Because all these scary movies, you know they kind of get hyped and you know whatever, yes and I go.
Speaker 3:You know you're never yeah I don't know if that is mainly a mean problem where I'm just desensitized because I've seen so many at this point, but or if they're just not good enough I think, if the writing's good enough, that you can be affected a little bit, um, I can't remember this seems like a psychological thriller.
Speaker 2:It seems like there's some satanic ideas in it, but I don't know. You know a lot of people are, you know, hyping it up and you just don't know what's real anymore.
Speaker 3:So yeah we're just gonna have to go and see it yeah, and the, the advertising and the marketing, for it is kind of different than how other movies are doing it and the way that people are talking about it. Like you sent me a tiktok where this one person was saying that um, what was it? It was it hijacks your uh your conscious subconscious whatever something like that and I was like okay. But like whenever I hear stuff like that, like when people say, oh, people ran out of the theater, they were vomiting, they couldn't.
Speaker 3:They were so nauseous they blah, blah, blah, blah blah. They passed out. This hijacks your brain and your everything. I want to go see it because it doesn't really, or are you just being dramatic?
Speaker 2:Because we want to feel.
Speaker 3:Because it's like okay, sure, because like people have hyped stuff up, yeah a lot, and then I go in, I'm like it wasn't anything to me. But I'm really curious about this one and I do appreciate how they've done um, how they've done their marketing and their promotion for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like the one that I sent you. Yeah, they try to limit you. Everyone's seeing his face yeah, you don't see his face, but there was um. There was a clip that I sent you where the female actress goes into the room where nicholas cage is and it's like her first time he's in character and it's her first time seeing him in character and they're rolling and they have like a heart monitor hooked up to her and you can hear her heart beating super yeah it like starts at her resting heart rate was at like 70 something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like 71, that was when she was in the hallway yeah and then, when she opened the door, it went up and it was over 100 something. Yeah, it was really it was crazy and they just have like this black square over his face because, they don't want you to see it until you watch the movie.
Speaker 2:So, of course, you and I are in for something like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So we're going. So hopefully next week we'll come on maybe do a quick review or something.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So we may have a special guest to do that with. Yes, so we'll see.
Speaker 3:And we'll let you know if our subconscious was hijacked. Right. I think they said something else about Nicholas Cage. Like just him, like he was starting to forget what he was doing and not really know where he was. I kind of like that. I know it's a little crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I kind of like that. I know it's a little crazy, yeah, so I kind of like that. So that's good, so that's our next one that we're gonna go see together and I'm really looking forward to Twisters a fun summer movie oh yeah, destruction. And Glenn Powell, yeah, your favorite, favorite uh, and then I think our last thing is that you, just what are we listening to right now?
Speaker 3:yeah, are you?
Speaker 2:listening to anything different.
Speaker 3:I'm kind of listening to this music same thing, yeah um, yeah, I guess I am kind of listening to the same thing. I've been listening to um gracie abrams newest album. I don't have you listened to it yet no, no, I haven't.
Speaker 2:I need to. Yeah, I've been listening to a lot of um cory asbury. I've been listening to him a lot, but like for the last three or four years, um, and then we're going to the uh casey concert. So I've been not listening to her albums just for that. But I, I've got it. I just really love that. Her new album, deeper well, yeah, I mean, you guys got me the vinyl for father's day and it sounds great. It's a perfect vinyl album. Um, it's just so good.
Speaker 2:I I I've used perfect a lot in past, you know, like our first. So I don't want to say it's perfect, but it's a really just well-written, thoughtful, um thoughtful album and in for me and I've mentioned it before because we had a whole podcast about it um, all, all songs are listenable, all songs are singable and have um a unique, you know, have a like, have a melody that you know like hook yeah you know there's not any.
Speaker 3:You know factory written, you know industry written songs on it where they're just kind of throwaway songs yeah, so I've been trying to teach myself how to play um dinner with friends oh cool, yeah on your guitar, yeah, my guitar, um, because me and my teacher are working on it's weird calling him a teacher um, we're working on a different song right now and he's like okay, well, we're starting to wrap this one up, start thinking of other ideas, and I like thought about doing this one, but I'm kind of far into it on my own already that I'm like I don't know if I need his help for this one, um, so I'm kind of just doing it on my own cool um it's, it's challenging, but it's good, it's fun.
Speaker 2:I like that.
Speaker 3:I want to hear it yeah, um, but gracie abrams new album I've been listening to a lot. I've been going back and forth between hers and 21 pilots new album and that's pretty much all I've been listening to.
Speaker 2:I should maybe try to listen to that. I've never really been into them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, and their music is so different and it's so like unique and niche to them where nothing else like no one really sounds like them, which, like, if other artists sound like other, that's fine, but it's just such like a dip, like I don't even know what kind of genre I would put them into because it's so. It's just such like a dip, like I don't even know what kind of genre I would put them into because it's so, it's just so different. Um, so they're not necessarily, they're not for everyone, but they it is really good and the amount of thought and time they put into their music and they're so intentional about what they do, um, in each song, in each of their music videos, um, and how they do it, it's all. It's all super intentional and like and super meaningful. So every time I'm listening to it and there's like a whole like universe within their albums, like there's 21 Pilots, lore yeah um, so it's kind of fun keeping track of that with the music um and their videos it's a lot of
Speaker 3:fun. Um, but yeah, those two. I've been going back and forth between a lot. I rediscovered Lorde's album, melodrama from 2017. Perfect album. I put together a playlist today of albums that are just perfect to me, because I have a few that are like that are just perfect to me, because I have a few that are like that. Um, I'm like I just need to put these down because the list is growing a little bit. But, um, and I just and I was listening to it on shuffle at work today and on my way home I was like, oh my gosh, these are so good um so yeah, that's on there.
Speaker 3:So I have been listening to melodrama a lot, today at least yeah, it's fun rediscovering albums that you grew up with I really like, um, paisley park by prince.
Speaker 2:I have very I wouldn't say vivid, but I have a lot of memories listening to that when it was when it came out, I think it was 85. Um, um, purple rain's classic. But Paisley park is great and under the cherry moon is really good, has some really good songs on it and uh. So I've been listening to his some of those albums that I grew up with, uh, recently, um, and I've been meaning to listen to the back end of Thriller, the Thriller album. There's some really good uh songs. You know that album is really good. All that's another one of those songs that I just sang, all of the songs None of them were, you know, they were just all really great. But the back end songs, you know, the ones that don't get as much attention, are actually really good. So it's kind of a fun listen. So I've been meaning to go back to that. But I have been listening to a little bit of country. I really like good country, not like pop country. You know what I'm saying. Like.
Speaker 2:I'm really looking forward to. The Twisters album is pretty much all country. It kind of all takes place in Oklahoma.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:In the Midwest and stuff. So I'm looking forward to that full album release, um, but they're the country that I listen to is kind of, you know, specific. I really like um Zach and I really like Chris Stapleton and I think he's actually coming out with a new album soon um, but I also, like you know, like country like I was really into country in the early 90s mid 90s some really good um, so I like that, especially in the summer. This is kind of a a fun listen. I really like laney wilson, um, so yeah, yeah kind of nothing like in full albums of anybody.
Speaker 2:But um, but it's very specific what I like. I really kind of like country country, not like rock country or poppy country casey is the closest to country I'm ever gonna get yeah, and you know this album isn't it's labeled as country, but it's almost more like a folk yeah almost I wouldn't want. I don't know if I'd put it under the country label.
Speaker 2:That's where it is labeled yeah um, but there's a few country-ish sounding songs, but um, it's almost more of a like a folky, you know, indie kind of. But it's just really really good, it's so well done so. Yeah, I have a females only playlist that I made um, but they're all. It's very specific sound. It's uh, her albums that, and they tend she tends, especially or later albums tend to be not too energetic. Um, I have nora jones in there, leve, and um, uh, who else do I have in there? I added Maya Hawk.
Speaker 3:I love her album Chaos Angel.
Speaker 2:I heard a song that came on because I was just doing my radio channel, curated from what I listen to, and one of her songs came up. I'm like this is Maya.
Speaker 3:I just know her voice.
Speaker 2:And I looked and one of her songs came up. I'm like this is my, uh, like I just know her voice.
Speaker 3:And I looked and it was her it's very distinctive, yeah, her talking and singing voice are very similar you just tell, and just the kind of music she makes is, yeah, just well.
Speaker 2:I, I kind of I haven't listened to her enough. You know, all those, all those girls are kind of in that same genre, um, you know her age, kind of that indie, kind of soft, you know, um, you know music writer. But it was her voice that that got me. I was like this is my hawk. And then, sure enough, I looked at it, but her album's in there, because it's pretty chill. But there's something about, you know, just at certain times I just want to hear, you know, a female voice. That's just kind of like just chill yeah music, not a ton of energy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, chaos angel is perfect for that, yeah so I added her as soon as the album came out and yeah, and there are some gracie abrams song from her new album um, that would be good for that too, but you'd have to listen to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. If, yeah, that's what I was gonna say, I'd have to maybe pick because not all of them are like that yeah, on that album yeah, I've got casey levy. Oh, casey lacey k booth. She was on she's country, she was on um american idol, I think years ago, and her voice is very unique and I really like it. I have a few of Billie's slower songs Nora Jones and Maya Hawk. Actually, I added all of Billie's new album. Her album, I think I told you before, is growing on me.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then a few from or the one her popular one. What was I made for? I love that song. Yeah. It's so good. Um, yeah, that's the three or four girls that I have like gals that I have in right now. It's it's pretty kind of specific what I want in that, in that playlist yeah, some others.
Speaker 3:Uh, albums that I've been kind of listening to, um are also. It's also model by wallows. That's a really good like summer album, um, and found heaven by conan gray I think I sent that one to you um, very two completely different summer vibes, feelings, um, but they're they're such fun albums I love. Found heaven um, I listen to that album sometimes when I go to the gym. If I don't have a podcast to listen to, is that. The whole thing is just so good yeah, yeah, all right.
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Speaker 2:All right, mac, I will talk to you later, see you soon.
