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GPOP 5 Review of 'Long Legs' w guests Camille & Shellee
From inconsistent character behaviors to unrealistic police procedures, we leave no stone unturned in our scrutiny of "Long Legs." We question the rushed plot points and ponder the symbolic elements like the eerie phrase "I've got my long legs on" and the early '90s setting. Our discussion highlights the missed opportunities in Nicolas Cage's performance and the failure to develop the FBI agent character meaningfully. Despite its intriguing premise, the movie's lazy writing and lack of engagement left us yearning for a more compelling and intelligent narrative. Tune in to hear why "Long Legs" left us more frustrated than frightened.
hey, welcome back to another episode of gpop. I am here with michaela, as always.
Speaker 2:Hello.
Speaker 1:Hello, and we have two beautiful guests with us today Shelly, my beautiful wife.
Speaker 2:Hello.
Speaker 1:Hello and Michaela's lovely friend.
Speaker 3:Camille.
Speaker 1:Camille Yay.
Speaker 4:Yay, yay.
Speaker 1:Okay, so tonight we are doing a review of a movie called Long Legs that stars Nicolas Cage, and who is the actress? Michaela. It starts with an.
Speaker 4:M.
Speaker 3:I don't know what her name is.
Speaker 1:That's fine. So it's kind of. How would you guys describe the movie Thriller? Stupid is that's fine, so it's kind of. Uh, how would you guys describe the movie thriller?
Speaker 2:stupid.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, okay, um like like thriller horror yeah, thriller a little bit so yeah, I'd say thriller, maybe a little bit of a crime or psychological thriller yeah.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like Silence of the Lambs. Touches of that, touches of Seven.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Seven.
Speaker 1:You know a couple movies like that, kind of the same tropes from those movies.
Speaker 3:It's categorized as horror slash mystery on Google.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, yeah, all right, so we are going to have spoilers. So if you want to see this movie and you haven't yet, wait until after you see it and then come back and listen, cause we'll. We're just going to talk about the whole movie, so I don't have a ton of thoughts about it. So I don't have a ton of thoughts about it, so I think I'm going to let you lead Michaela. You and Camille have like a lot of notes.
Speaker 4:I have thoughts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Shelly and I have very few opinions.
Speaker 1:I have a few thoughts, uh, very few opinions. I have a few thoughts, but and we'll, we'll probably, I'll probably kind of like you know tag off, you know kind of add what I think of whatever you guys are saying.
Speaker 3:So you want to kind of kick it off um sure, uh, first note, my subconscious was not hijacked unfortunately yeah true, yeah um, I was actually really hoping for that.
Speaker 1:It was not.
Speaker 3:We always go in with great hope that our conscious will be it was talked about so highly and that's one of the things I was going to talk about is the marketing that they did, for it is really risky because they're overhyping it and then the audience wants to overhype it too, and then, at least for me, going into it, it was a little over. It was a little overhyped, yeah like it was good still, but it wasn't like this insane, like crazy movie, like it wasn't really like that for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was hoping for it to be as thoughtful as, like silence. Maybe not live up to that or seven, but like along those lines, I was hoping for it to be a little closer, it wasn't as intelligent for sure. Yeah, I think it had a lot of potential, but because I think the story was good at its base but kind of didn't live up to certainly didn't live up to the hype, I just think it.
Speaker 1:Just there's one element that threw the whole thing off for me and I don't know if I want to get into it might it may or may not be the same thing as ours.
Speaker 3:The one element at least that kind of checked me out immediately was when they shot the um, the doll head, and then there was, like this black smoke that came out of it I hate that so much. We talked a little bit after the movie and how it reminded us of night swim, where it was like a really good premise, but then they add, like this weird smoke within it and it's like okay. Well, now what?
Speaker 4:it looks like when, dis like when Disney villains like walk in too. Yes, exactly yeah.
Speaker 3:And we were saying, like had it well? I think I was actually talking to my coworker about this Like had it been like a more natural gray smoke instead of like that crazy, like vibrant black, maybe it would have done something for me and maybe that was a purpose. But because I don't know, I just didn't, didn't. I don't like it felt like they were putting two different ideas the crime stuff and voodoo and black magic. They were trying to put these two completely different things together and for a while, like I didn't think it was gonna be that.
Speaker 2:But when the agent carter said that, I was like there's no way it's going to be like that, and it was I'm like okay, yeah, I don't care for that I felt like they tried to put too many different ideas into one and they should have stuck with one through line, and it just seemed like just a lot of ideas thrown in. Some of them didn't even really have any purpose. There were some scenes that I was like that's such a throwaway and it was just so unnecessary. It was just so unnecessary and I don't know, I didn't understand what it?
Speaker 1:contributed to the, to the story or what they were trying to portray yeah, it was like they threw the whole supernatural thing into it and you can do that yeah, which I was never really kind of, but it's one or the other advertises right like you. You can do that. There's good movies where they're supernatural, but it like I agree with pick a lane.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you know, stick to it I or or write it really well yeah because I feel like, like I mentioned, there were aspects of those amazing movie ideas, the the same ideas, and it just never came together. It was very light very like half.
Speaker 2:I don't even know like halfway, yeah, and even the supposed jump scares or the jump noises didn't even make me jolt, and you guys know how jumpy. I am, there were, and it didn't even I. Zero reaction there were.
Speaker 3:There were only two times where I did jump a little bit. Well, quite a lot of bit, I think. You saw I did jump a little.
Speaker 4:It was like when the scenes change and they do that loud like yeah, that yeah yeah, yeah I, I was. That was like. The first thing I wrote down was that I was disappointed that it became a satanic, like paranormal movie, because I think it could have been equally as creepy or unsettling if he was just some weird looking creepy killer that made dolls Totally.
Speaker 1:Like I don't, I don't mind that, but you have to do it well.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like.
Speaker 1:I was more. I was hoping for more of what you just said the psychological part of it, like he's just super creepy yeah because I think his character was good. He was creepy. That scene where he was in the car and he was singing and then he started screaming yeah, totally unhinged, which I liked, or toward liked, or at the end he did a really good job. I think of being creepy. It just never all came together.
Speaker 4:It would have been creepier if he wasn't a Satanist and he just was like a crazy person.
Speaker 2:It was just a lot of incomplete thoughts and ideas, I think, and they just mushed them together and tried to make them work, and it just yeah, it kind of fell flat.
Speaker 1:But other thoughts, ladies, um, you have a whole list, yeah, so one of the things I'll mention.
Speaker 3:Um, and then we can jump up over to you, camille. Um, one of the things I tried to do. So there was kind of like an ad for it, where they put like a heart monitor on the main actress, right oh yeah they put that on her when she was in the hallway before seeing him for the first time.
Speaker 3:And so I was like, oh, I want to track mine and see how I feel seeing him for the first time. And so I was like, oh, I want to track mine and see how I feel seeing him for the first time, like, but we've I think we've seen him already up to that like before, up to that point. But I kept whispering to her.
Speaker 3:I was like this can't be it like there has to be something more to this, because again, it was hyped up so much they put a black square over his face. I'm like, okay, so it's got to be like pretty right, pretty crazy then I didn't know that they I know they did that the heart rate thing.
Speaker 4:There was billboards with like a phone number that you could call and it was like his voice or something. Actually, I don't actually even know if it was his voice. But there's also the website that she's on the murder something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my birthday, the birthday, yeah my co-worker showed me that a couple days or yesterday I think. Um, but yeah, so I was like, oh, I'm gonna track mine. And so I was looking at my heart rate thing on my watch and when she was in the hallway I started about like kind of ranging from like 71 to 74-ish. When she walked in I was down to 64.
Speaker 4:It went the opposite way, but we had already seen him by then, right. Yeah, but I yeah we did. His face like pops up in the beginning.
Speaker 3:I think yeah, and I think that's why it went down so low, because I was expecting it to be something like so much bigger. I was like we're gonna like I feel like it would have been a better move to have her first time seeing him be our first time seeing him, so we can really understand where she, her fear, is coming from and have that same like feeling that we probably should have gotten and what the intention probably was it probably would have been a little bit better that way, just like, but I don't know if that would have overhyped it too much too, or but I feel like this story would have helped push that creepiness to it instead of us seeing it right from the beginning.
Speaker 4:This is really silly, but his teeth being perfect with his scary face was really funny to me.
Speaker 2:Well, and we were talking earlier, his face looks a little bit like melting wax.
Speaker 1:But you know what it?
Speaker 2:really made me think of, you know, those 3D ultrasounds Of the baby.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Doesn't it kind of have that same sort of?
Speaker 2:idea, especially with the cinematography and how they just kind of filmed it.
Speaker 4:It was like his face reminds me of the 3d ultrasound like that. Yeah, the white part just kind of yeah, just kind of swimmy sort of I don't know, it just looked they never, addressed like melted wax a little bit. That's what those was his face just supposed to be that color?
Speaker 3:yeah, like they never address if he's like putting on makeup, right, I think so maybe because it was very like powdery white and and he had some kind of other makeup on. So it might be that he's not only trying to make these other people look like dolls, but he's trying to make a doll.
Speaker 2:Right, he was trying to make himself look like a doll.
Speaker 1:His clothes and stuff were very light and his outfit slash costume seemed pretty deliberate too. His hair was kind of gray-ish, white-ish. His clothes were all kind of white and kind of yeah like almost like bleached out color. I mean, it was like a whole vibe that he was putting off yeah. I think one of the most disappointing things for me was, as soon as a doll popped up, I was out.
Speaker 1:I'm done with the scary doll movies, or even like the one from last year oh, megan, megan, yeah and, and then the other ones with the annabelle annabelle, like those were good then, but now I'm like okay we, we're over it, let's try something different.
Speaker 4:I wrote down, coraline dupe yeah. Because, in Coraline, they use the doll that looks just like them, like the kid, to spy on them.
Speaker 2:Oh right, which is essentially what he's, which is essentially yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah so. I didn't, and the only other note I had was when they were at her house, or and there was the only other note I had was when they were at the at her house or no, when they went to the clue to the barn and they got into the floor when they were driving up it was a kind of a cloudy dark day, and this was based in Oregon and they had. This is so silly, but it was just a thing.
Speaker 2:There was thunder and lightning and I'm like there's no thunder and lightning here every every once in a while maybe.
Speaker 1:So I'm like oh, that's an ad yeah really stupid because you add that kind of stuff to movies all the time. But I'm like, well, that's not really realistic for the area for this area, and so if you're from this area, it's like oh, they added lightning.
Speaker 2:Those are literally my only two notes. The other thing, though, is that it was so predictable. Like every scene it was like you knew what was going to happen before it happened.
Speaker 3:Throughout the whole thing, there were like yes, there were two moments specifically that I remembered is the first time that she would. She was like, oh, he's in there, he's in that apartment, and it was just the way they shot the other detective and the way they filmed him and the way he looked back at her and like kind of like chuckled at her. I was like oh, he's going to die.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure yeah. And then he got shot. Yeah, I was like OK yeah.
Speaker 3:And then another part is once she went over to the agent Carter's house and we met his wife and the daughter I was like something they're going to be involved in it somehow. And so when she went over there at the end of the movie. It was like ugh.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And like the mom.
Speaker 2:The mom was super wacko, yeah, and you could tell when she was talking to her and how calm she was on the phone. And she's like remember your prayers.
Speaker 3:I'm like oh, this is some spiritual this is gonna be some take care of all the bad things.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's gonna be like okay, this is gonna turn into a they even could have kept her as just a weird mom, yeah, like, like that had some sort of significance, yeah kind of like a mental thing not a spiritual thing.
Speaker 1:It was almost like right in front of them and they completely missed. I think all of us could see potential all the way through, but they just went this way instead of.
Speaker 2:It was very All of it was just a little off. Yeah.
Speaker 3:It just nothing really landed for me at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what other?
Speaker 4:helps. Do you have camille? Uh, I wrote um. It appeared that lee's mom knew that breaking like the brain of the doll would be the cure so why? Didn't she do that? In the beginning, right, but then I was like oh wait, I thought about it more and then I was like well, she couldn't, because the devil was sparing her daughter, right? By doing this and like making it so she couldn't remember, so she couldn't break it, because then she would remember everything and yeah, and then like, why did he use the name long legs?
Speaker 3:I still don't get it yeah, I still don't get it either. Right, I can try to look it up because I looked at it.
Speaker 4:Well, he said it like once in the beginning and he said I've got my long legs on, legs on yeah, and then like bent down I'm like is he gonna have weird legs?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like well, what was normal? Yeah, it was a normal guy it was just very strange.
Speaker 4:I mean it is. That was a creepy sentence Like sorry, I've got my long legs on Well.
Speaker 2:I was hoping when she started decoding stuff and doing dates and stuff. I like that kind of thing and it just it was just, but she didn't have to.
Speaker 4:She didn, and it just, it was just, but she didn't have to, she didn't have because she was psychic in quotations.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was just like okay, so this is gonna be a part of it. Nope, that just kind of like one little piece of it and it was done. I'm just like I don't know. It just kind of fell off the cliff each thing that they it was just too many, um, predictable, you know, yeah, horror movie tropes that they were cramming into all you know into each part when they had part one two three trope per scene it was like what.
Speaker 4:That's why I wanted weird they she gave when she found the picture of long legs in, like her stuff. Yeah, she gave it to the guy and was like this is him. And then the next scene is he's just at a bus stop and they found him. And I was like, wait, but how did they find him? Yeah, yeah, I wish that they showed them trying to find him.
Speaker 2:But and at first, when they her First, when the detectives were canvassing that neighborhood, I thought that's what they were going to be doing is canvassing and going door to door to say, hey, have you seen this guy, Do you know him? Blah, blah, blah. And they just walk into that one house. And it was like what was the?
Speaker 4:point of that. Wait, yeah, what was that house?
Speaker 2:Because he lived under her house in their basement, so why were they even in that neighborhood?
Speaker 1:Which one?
Speaker 2:When they were her.
Speaker 4:In the beginning, At the very very beginning her partner. I think that was just a guy.
Speaker 1:That Wasn't that guy? Just another dad, or like another husband or something.
Speaker 4:That shot him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that was just another dad, or like another husband or something that shot him. Yeah, yeah, that was just another dad and they showed his family picture later on. Yeah, that was just, that was just the first family yeah that they showed in the movie. That was a part of the whole through line which another thing I'll say is I thought it was strange how he went alone at first I was like they don't do that. Right like right.
Speaker 2:No matter if you're in the car or going up to the door, like I I mean I don't know much about anything but here, stay in the car, you know neither of them should be alone in a situation like that, but I don't know.
Speaker 3:I could see, because all of this took be alone in a situation like that, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:I could see, because all of this took place like in the 90s, like early 90s, like that wouldn't happen today, but I could see that happening earlier. You know, it kind of falls in line with the whole patriarchy thing, like the guy's going to be the boss, so during that time that this took place that kind of stuff? I think happened, like the guys are always in the lead. You know she's kind of like this you know small woman and in in reality, nobody's really taking her seriously.
Speaker 1:She's a, you know yeah, so in that time period, I think that that probably would have been accurate it may not be so today, but yeah, I wasn't even thinking of it that way. I was like just a safety issue, she just went in there yeah, I know I'm like girl.
Speaker 2:She just goes in there by herself instead of calling for backup. I mean, I guess he kind of uh, yeah, I don't know that's like, but that's usual horror movie stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah well, why are you doing that?
Speaker 4:that's what I mean I guess you kind of uh yeah, I don't know that's, but that's usual horror movie stuff. Yeah, well, why are you doing that? That's what I that's like, the kind of thing that I say like if they were logical about this.
Speaker 2:We wouldn't have a movie, yeah, but but I still feel like they they don't need to dumb it down quite that much, though, to be so unrealistic, you know, kind of like when, um, he pounded on the door and all of a sudden she just goes outside.
Speaker 4:Oh, like she saw? Yeah, she saw him and then went to go get him. Why?
Speaker 3:oh, yeah, you know yeah, it's, I think they did that so we could see him in the house which I get, but it's cheap, right, but again, it's very, yes, it's very pedestrian in her house.
Speaker 4:Yeah, even the people behind us were like what they were funny. They were like what they were really doing yeah, it was just very lazy.
Speaker 1:I feel like yes, lazy is a good word, like here. How do we get this connection? And it's just like oh well again it really. We couldn't try a little?
Speaker 2:harder.
Speaker 3:Yeah again, it was just them making her go outside, for whatever reason, just so they could show him in the house behind her, like okay, I think it would have been crazier if she stayed in the house and locked all her doors, closed all her windows and all her blinds, but he was still there.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, that would have been more, because I feel like or there was pounding like all around the house outside. I feel like that would have been creepy too.
Speaker 3:I feel like her walking out of the house at that time was distracting, because all you're thinking now is why would she do that when, instead, if she had done what we would think we would do, like close all the blinds, lock all everything, like if she did everything that we would think we'd do and he was still there, like that would be even creepier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he was like in like down the hallway or something, because that was not a fun house like they could have easily made that like it was a pretty dark interior, so they could have made it pretty with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but again, they just did it for the sake of getting her out of the house, so you could just see him walk through the door or through the house.
Speaker 4:Yeah, on the inside it's like wait, but what did you even do in there?
Speaker 2:but then what?
Speaker 1:yeah, oh, oh, he left her the the note, but that's what I'm saying. It was like it was okay. How do we get, yeah, the decoder? It's just very cheap writing very it's like okay, yeah, this is bad so yeah, I looked up why it's called long Legs.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:So I have a possible journalist theory and then. I have a quote from the director Exactly.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:So this is the journalist theory. Realistically, this could be something he said to children before as a way of making himself approachable. Don't forget, before he met Lee's mother, he would have been working solo and talking to the families himself. If that's a line he often uses, it would make sense for the nickname to tie in. There's also the obvious connection to the creatures known as Daddy Longlegs, as well as dads themselves. The theme of fatherhood is one deeply embedded in the movie. Long legs uses dolls to infiltrate the homes of his victims, wherein the satanic spell comes into life and drives the fathers of the respective families to murder. Long legs might also see himself as a father figure to lee harker, who he stalks in adulthood after sparing her life as a child.
Speaker 2:That's kind of what I thought as far as him, because he never threatened her or threatened to do harm to her and I kind of felt like maybe she was, he had sort of a protective guard over her or something.
Speaker 4:but it was kind of my sister said she, she saw it too, and I asked her the same question and she was like um, I don't know. I saw a quote that said that the devil's legs are long enough to reach earth. Oh, and they, and so like they're in hell and on hell and earth at the same time was that?
Speaker 3:correct me if I'm wrong. Was that a theme, kind of like they were in two places at once, kind of? Thing or I don't know if I'm making I. I did know that this is with the leg thing.
Speaker 4:Um, I don't know I I'm making. I I did know that this is with the leg thing. Um, I don't know, I'm literally could be making it up, but I swear that each of them start limping more and more in each different like. Uh, what? Like the parts? People start walking or like not being able to walk very well, yeah like long legs in. In the beginning he walks normal, I think Like up to her, and then each time you see him he starts walking like he has an issue with his legs.
Speaker 2:So, Blair Underwood's character. When he walked away from the door he was kind of like yeah, the whole movie he was like kind of straight, stoic, had a, had a clean walk, and then when she came over at the end the way he walked away and walked into the kitchen he was. He was kind of limping, which were they like.
Speaker 1:I mean they were possessed. So maybe that's a tie-in that they were possessed and there was like a demon in them, or something a spirit that made them their gate change yeah, maybe with the ending, because I mean they all like he was a good dude, so clearly it's a spirit, a demon or something gets in the dads and then they just, you know, kill everybody. But what did the director say?
Speaker 3:so long legs. Director oz perkins revealed that the movie title has no real meaning.
Speaker 1:It was just a word that sounds good to him.
Speaker 3:Nicolas Cage's character in Longlegs has no explanation for his bizarre name adding to the mysterious tone of the film.
Speaker 2:I hate that. What I hate that so much.
Speaker 1:Just right off the bat.
Speaker 2:It reminds me of those movies where the ending is subjective, it's whatever the viewer decides it is. To me it's so lazy, it's like everything should have a purpose and the title and him saying that is very reflective of the movie itself.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There was no purpose. There was no purpose, there was no story.
Speaker 1:Well, it kind of goes back to. I saw the TV glow Like it's all these abstract things that mean something but you really don't know. Or it's subjective, like I think I told you in our review of that. I just want to be told like I don't. I don't want complete abstract where I right, I make it like I'd rather do that with a song than in a movie, like you're gonna have to explain things in the movie yeah, I don't like it was so veiled, you know, with that particular movie on what it was based on, like I don't even know what is that, what it is like.
Speaker 1:I don't understand some of the identity stuff, but not as I don't know. I I guess I don't want to go off too much on that, but those two movies I just I don't want to have to guess, and then in the end, long legs means nothing, yeah, like if I knew that I'd almost like decide, I'm not
Speaker 2:seeing it pointless, yeah, or at least just watching it at home or something yeah like you're not even trying right from the start. Yeah, that's how I take it.
Speaker 1:Totally yeah, he probably just thinks, that's you know cool. I just feel like it's just very lazy just I don't know when, when you see seven and you see a movie like silence of the lambs like the whole, like I was really hoping with the decoding and the thing like silence of of the lambs was like this one puzzle after another was intelligent.
Speaker 2:It was so smart.
Speaker 4:Well, I thought they made it look like it was going to be like that, and then people who did see it posted on things, also making it seem like it was gonna be like maybe we're just haters, but I was not.
Speaker 2:No, the only similarity.
Speaker 1:That's like the standard bearer, Like that's like just a super, super smart movie.
Speaker 2:The only similarity is that there was a female FBI agent.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That's and a creepy dude. Yeah, trying to be something that he's not.
Speaker 4:People are like you will never guess what happens in this movie.
Speaker 3:And like what did they say Every scene was predictable. Yeah, your subconscious will be hijacked.
Speaker 4:Yeah yeah, that's crazy, I agree with you, mckayla.
Speaker 1:When they hype it up that much, it's like it's really better live up to it to the hype.
Speaker 3:It's really risky, like you, have to be like a, a special kind of person and a special kind of director to advertise it the way they did and like I don't know. I just think you have to really know what you're, what you're doing and getting into. And and something I wanted to mention too, when you said what was the purpose, something I learned in my in my video and sound production classes when you're writing something like a film, specifically in this case, um, you have to give the audience a reason to care about it, like they're like. Why does this matter to me? Why do I care about this main person you need?
Speaker 3:to get their investment yeah, and so that's something that that I thought about when you said there was no purpose, like they lacked that. Why do I care about this person, right?
Speaker 1:from the start.
Speaker 3:Yeah, why do I care about this weird person that can barely talk and is like timid everywhere she goes, even though she's an FBI agent? Like I don't?
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a really good point.
Speaker 1:She was a little. She's just like what is wrong, you're an FBI agent yeah like what are you doing? Like, why are they?
Speaker 3:letting her work the case, because they thought she was after she.
Speaker 1:Well, even after they realized the connection, I was like there's no way they would let anyone do that.
Speaker 3:When they have, when they realize or learn that they have some kind of connection to what's going on, she should have been kicked out immediately yeah Right, that's something that also takes me off.
Speaker 4:But then they put her in the interrogation room, and then he gets mad at her because Long Legs kills himself. I know, I know it's just so funny. Yes.
Speaker 1:That was such a weird overreaction.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you guys noticed this, but I think this was kind of supposed to. Um, this was intentional from the director, but when he did that and he hit his head on the table, um, the blood splatters one of them was on her chest, and one of them was on her head yeah, um yeah. So I was like, okay, this is supposed to mean something kind of so I guess the one in her head did more so than her chest, but they should have just kept that instead of they.
Speaker 4:I think that he his like killing himself. Reaction was like oh, now I'm gonna pass it off to her, and that's why right at the end, does she become possessed? Is that what the end was insinuating? I don't. She doesn't ever destroy the doll yeah, but she I don't know.
Speaker 2:But she then took the little girl like she was protecting her because, yeah, her family was right the dad had killed the mom, and then she shot the dad and then she took the little girl with her, isn't the?
Speaker 4:girl under the spell of the doll.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's going to be like the same.
Speaker 1:It's going to be like a reoccurring. Maybe I don't know. I think they can't make another one.
Speaker 2:They made the end that they could make another way, make another.
Speaker 1:I think, nick Cage's performance, I think he was wasted yeah, in it, for sure, I think he, he had moments I thought he meant like wasted, like drunk.
Speaker 4:No, it was like what? His, like his acting, yes, no way like that really good, like the character was good yeah so much potential.
Speaker 1:He did it really well. The only times I was really creeped out was when he was on screen and I was like it's just a waste of a good acting and a potentially good character.
Speaker 3:I think the one scene where I like genuinely uncomfortable about his character specifically is when the girl was alone in the store and he walked in. I'm like oh my gosh, this is literally my worst nightmare.
Speaker 4:Would you have reacted like her if it was in your store? She?
Speaker 3:was so like hey if one of my managers was there I need. I don't know what I would have done honestly, but probably cried like that's probably. That was probably the moment that freaked me out the most about his character, but then when he was screaming and singing in his car.
Speaker 2:I was like I get that yeah it didn't go anywhere, like he didn't do anything there was, she was just a smart, you know a smart aleck teenager. That was kind of.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it totally blew her off.
Speaker 3:Well, it seems like I think it's the reason why she was like that, because at first I was like why is she not shitting herself right now? But I think it's because she said dad, the creepy guy's back again Like it was like a reoccurring thing.
Speaker 1:So she creepy guys back again, like it was like a reoccurring thing. So she was just like okay, he's not gonna do anything, so it's whatever she was used to it yeah, he'd never done anything. So yeah, super creepy, so yeah, but why would she? And she knew that her dad was there with her, so it was probably just an extra.
Speaker 2:But it was like what was the purpose of that? Just to show him?
Speaker 4:that he was a weirdo, I guess, yeah, to see.
Speaker 3:Well, which we already did come in back into the story later because remember she was the one I think she was the one that was at the mental hospital. That that, um, that lee interviewed.
Speaker 4:No, that's the girl from the one surviving victim of that family, the first actress yeah, she was a good and that was a waste too yeah, that could have been a really good that could have been.
Speaker 2:They could have gone a million directions with that. You know that, um, that actress and that whole, the whole idea of it but then she just offs herself when he offs himself like they.
Speaker 4:It's what in the world, I think her doll gets destroyed and then they're like oh, she kills herself or she jumped out the window, but it was like such, again, a waste of a good actress and potential scene that could have really creeped people out.
Speaker 2:Mental hospitals are always creepy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the way she was talking. I wonder if they wrote it like that or if she kind of did that.
Speaker 3:I wonder what Improvised? I don't know.
Speaker 2:She was the girl from the.
Speaker 4:From Sabrina.
Speaker 2:From the first family.
Speaker 3:She wasn't home when the family got her the gal at the store.
Speaker 2:No, no store no, no, the girl in the mental hospital oh gotcha okay she was the one that survived because she wasn't that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, they made it seem like she was going to give lee answers, and so lee went to visit her and then she's just talking. The gal at the store, oh, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:There was no that's my point is there was no reason for that scene was that
Speaker 4:entire scene.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was just, there was no there was no connection to the, to any part of the movie. In that scene that I could draw just to show that he was a weirdo oh okay, and he was buying weird items for to make the doll I mean, I don't know, it's just weird the whole thing was just you know, his little thing in his car, the goat that was hanging in the car.
Speaker 4:I was like, oh that's. This is like really far-fetched, I think, but I was thinking about it and I'm like the goat the devil makes. But the goat is also the sign of Capricorn and Lee's birthday is January 14th, which.
Speaker 1:I think is Capricorn. That could be something. Oh, that could be.
Speaker 2:It is yeah, that could be.
Speaker 1:I would never think of that, because I don't care about any of that. I was laying in bed and it came into my mind.
Speaker 4:I'm like wait, it came into my mind.
Speaker 2:I'm like wait, it came into my mind. I like it, If you know it.
Speaker 4:I like that tie-in. Then I had to Google, I said January 14th star sign, and then yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Do you guys have anything else?
Speaker 3:Did you have? We shat on it enough. I pretty much talked about all of it.
Speaker 4:The only thing that I didn't say was why was no one at Ruby's birthday party?
Speaker 3:That too, ruby had to have any friends. Her only guest was the FBI agent that doesn't seem to do anything or can't do anything, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because at that point they're not knowing that all that's going to happen.
Speaker 3:Like it's not, like she's bringing the doll, so that's the first involvement.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, why wouldn't there be anyone else? Yeah, any friends.
Speaker 3:And they have like a whole ruby I know they have like a whole table set up for like the party hats and the plates too and I don't know.
Speaker 1:The more we talk about it, the more it's the garbage I don't know it was.
Speaker 2:What did I say when we left?
Speaker 1:that's a hour and a half.
Speaker 2:I won't ever get back yeah I just, I just wish that writers and producers would be more intelligent and maybe we should give a purpose to what they're like. It was just everything in that movie was such a throwaway there was like you could see potential and they just it just they're just not good enough to write some the people that love it, are they just?
Speaker 1:not intelligent.
Speaker 3:I know I'm like too.
Speaker 4:They're beta actors.
Speaker 2:Those are the people that want things to be weird and abstract oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so abstract and artsy and blah. Yeah, I don't need a lot of abstract. I mean, give me a good story, yeah, but you know I want to be confused, but in an intelligent way yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I just go back to those two movies that I mentioned and those are kind of again the standard bearers of those kind of movies, and I have not seen a lot that touch the intelligence of both of them.
Speaker 2:No, they're just of them no.
Speaker 1:They're just so smart.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I heard something really crazy from Nick Cage himself what he said, that someone asked him like how did you get like inspiration for the character? And he said I was just imitating my mom. No, yeah, and they were like what? Wow, apparently she was like schizophrenic and had a lot of like mental health issues and stuff.
Speaker 2:But he just the way that he said it, I was like Just a matter of fact.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was just imitating my mom.
Speaker 2:Wow, okay, isn't that crazy. That's dark. Yeah, oh my gosh, that is wild Wow.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think he really. I think he makes that movie. If that makes sense, he is really the best part of it Only good part of it. I feel like he kind of outshined everything. You know what I mean the actress, I think she has potential. But so, yeah, he did. I feel like he kind of outshined everything. Yeah, you know, the actress, I think she has potential, but so yeah anything else? Um well, I will say that the very first scene was shot extremely well. That was.
Speaker 2:I loved it. I know I, I knew it. I leaned over, I was like you, like the cinematography in this. Oh my gosh, I loved the first scene.
Speaker 3:I love the quiet, I love the zooming in.
Speaker 4:I will say, and how they only showed half his face.
Speaker 3:Yes, oh, my gosh. And the framing was amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:The framing was perfect. And the zooming in parts were, and when it was super quiet is like exactly what my style is and it's like, yeah, like one of my first thoughts about that first scene was this is why I want to make movies like this scene, specifically, is why I want to do this, and then it just went the way it did down the toilet from there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was the one good thing about the movie.
Speaker 3:Yes, the opening scene, which is crazy because you're setting people up to think it's going to be a certain way and then it's just not. But yeah, that first scene was just flawless yeah it was so good, yeah, okay but yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so go see the movie.
Speaker 1:So do we want to rate it I don't know if we need to rate it.
Speaker 3:I don't know if I can. You've shat on it enough. I don't.
Speaker 4:You don't know if you can rate it. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Maybe like two and a half, three out of five. Out of five, yeah, I would give it a one One and a half out of five.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'd give it a 1.5 and a half. Maybe I'll say two and a half when I'm looking at the stars.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like thinking about one star and then a half. I see letterboxed right now.
Speaker 2:What does it look like on there, half a half a star just because of the just because of the cinematography in the opening scene, that's it so so good yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, well.
Speaker 3:Nick Cage gets a star. Yeah, he gets a whole star. That's why I'll give him a one, two or three.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I'll give him.
Speaker 4:I'll give it a one, then, because of him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah but.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, that buttons up this episode episode.
Speaker 2:our next review will be Twisters yay so that'll be coming probably early next week ooh, glen Powell, I'm looking forward to that one.
Speaker 1:I'm so hyped the opening like advanced opening is tonight and I'm so tempted to just or even tomorrow, when you're gone so tempted to go, but I'm gonna wait, so anyway. So that'll be our next review on gpop. So until next time everybody say bye, bye, see you later, see ya, thank you.
